←back to thread

No Calls

(keygen.sh)
1603 points ezekg | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.208s | source
Show context
freedomben ◴[] No.42728008[source]
I'm a CTO who makes purchasing decisions. There are numerous products I likely would have purchased, but I either find a substitute or just go without because I won't play the stupid "let's get on a call" game.

If your website doesn't give me enough information to:

1. Know enough about your product to know that it will (generally speaking) meet my needs/requirements.

2. Know that the pricing is within the ballpark of reasonable given what your product does.

Then I will move on (unless I'm really desparate, which I assure you is rarely the case). I've rolled-my-own solution more than once as well when there were no other good competitors.

That's not to say that calls never work or don't have a place, because they definitely do. The key to using the call successfully (with me at least) is to use the call to get into true details about my needs, after I know that you're at least in the ballpark. Additionally, the call should be done efficiently. We don't need a 15 minute introduction and overview about you. We don't need a bunch of small talk about weather or sports. 2 minutes of that is ok, or when waiting for additional people to join the call, but beyond that I have things to do.

I know what my needs are. I understand you need some context on my company and needs in order to push useful information forward, and I also understand that many potential customers will not take the lead in asking questions and providing that context, but the sooner you take the temperature and adjust, the better. Also, you can get pretty far as a salesperson if you just spend 5 minutes looking at our website before the call! Then you don't have to ask basic questions about what we do. If you're willing to invest in the time to get on a call, then it's worth a few minutes of time before-hand to look at our website.

replies(30): >>42728440 #>>42729968 #>>42730113 #>>42730304 #>>42730478 #>>42730488 #>>42731122 #>>42731205 #>>42731562 #>>42731625 #>>42731654 #>>42731749 #>>42731845 #>>42732395 #>>42733222 #>>42733534 #>>42733736 #>>42733894 #>>42734213 #>>42735020 #>>42735376 #>>42736599 #>>42736685 #>>42738466 #>>42738777 #>>42740067 #>>42740099 #>>42740345 #>>42754672 #>>42786202 #
freedomben ◴[] No.42728440[source]
Oh I might add another huge thing: Have a way to justify/explain your pricing and how you came to that number. When you have to "learn about my company" in order to give me pricing info, I know you're just making the price up based on what you think I can pay. That's going to backfire on you because after you send me pricing, I'm going to ask you how you arrived at those numbers. Is it by vCPU? by vRAM? by number of instances? by number of API calls per month? by number of employees? by number of "seats"? If you don't have some objective way of determining the price you want to charge me, you're going to feel really stupid and embarrassed when I drill into the details.
replies(11): >>42729495 #>>42730125 #>>42732046 #>>42732559 #>>42732597 #>>42734855 #>>42742357 #>>42742452 #>>42752697 #>>42757640 #>>42786151 #
JoshTko ◴[] No.42729495[source]
I'm confused by this, why would sales team know in detail the vRAM contribution to sales price, and how is it relevant to your purchase decision? I've never heard of enterprise/SAAS pricing to be based primarily using cost plus pricing.
replies(2): >>42729762 #>>42730300 #
adammarples ◴[] No.42729762[source]
Isn't that exactly how a lot of things are priced? Ie. Snowflake. Pay for compute, pay for storage, etc.
replies(2): >>42730027 #>>42730329 #
malfist ◴[] No.42730027[source]
Some things are sure. But not most. You wouldn't expect to go to McDonald's and they tell you (or even know) how much the fertilizer to grow the corn that feed the pigs that made the bacon contributed to the price you pay for a burger
replies(2): >>42730117 #>>42732512 #
atq2119 ◴[] No.42730117[source]
If McDonald's insisted on having a long sales phone call to sell me a burger, then yeah, I'd expect them to be able to provide me that information.
replies(1): >>42731381 #
gitgud ◴[] No.42731381[source]
Really? That means you basically want to know what profit margins they’re running at… which no business would want to (or should need to) reveal
replies(2): >>42732196 #>>42732314 #
1. squeaky-clean ◴[] No.42732196[source]
That's exactly what's happening to you when you're the prospective buyer in one of those calls.

I'm not in sales, but I've had a job once where I could see all the financials. And we would very often be charging one customer 10x what we charged another for exactly the same tier of service. Sometimes the huge corps would be paying more for a lower service tier than a small corp on a higher tier.