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hackingonempty ◴[] No.42599363[source]
> I don't keep a "dick bar" that sticks to the top of the page to remind you which site you're on.

I use an extension called "Bar Breaker" that hides these when you scroll away from the top/bottom of the page.[0] More people should know about it.

[0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bar-breaker/

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kerkeslager ◴[] No.42599856[source]
I am usually the first old man to yell at any cloud, and I was overjoyed when someone invented the word "enshittening" for me to describe how the internet has gotten, but it surprised me a bit that people found that one annoying. I can see the problem of it sticking the top of the page with a logo (which is basically an ad and I hate those), but they usually have a menu there, so I always thought of them a bit like the toolbar at the top of an application window in a native desktop application. FWIW when I've built those, I've always de-emphasized the branding and focused on making the menus obvious and accessible.

I'm happy to learn something new about other people's preferences, though. If people prefer scrolling to the top, so be it!

EDIT: It occurs to me that this could be a preference setting. A few of the websites that have let me have my way, I've started generating CSS from a Django template and adding configuration options to let users set variables like colors--with really positive feedback from disabled users. At a fundamental level, I think the solution to accessibility is often configurability, because people with different disabilities often need different, mutually incompatible accommodations.

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1. strken ◴[] No.42607831[source]
I prefer it because I read by scrolling down one line at a time. This means that when I want to go back and read the previous couple of lines, I have to scroll up. This shows a big stupid menu of unknown size and behaviour on top of the text I'm trying to re-read.

The biggest problem for me is the randomness between different sites. It's not a problem for Firefox to display a header when I scroll up, since I can predict its behaviour. My muscle memory adapts by scrolling up and then down again without conscious thought. It's a much bigger problem if every site shows its header slightly differently.

I think the key thing is that when I scroll up, 95% of the time I want to see the text up the page, and at most maaaaaaaybe 5% of the time I want to open the menu. This is especially true if I got to your website via a search engine. I don't give a damn what's hidden in your menu bar unless it's the checkout button for my shopping cart, and even then I'd prefer you use a footer for that.