Grayjay Desktop App

Does this app has any creator monetization in mind, or does 'your way' means 'fuck you, i'm not paying you for shit, i'm just taking it'? None of it is "your content", or their content, it's just someone else's content they're leeching on. "full ownership" - of what?

literally just, what are their thoughts on that. do people deserve being paid? or don't? and if they don't and it's not worth paying for, how is it still worth watching? what is this bizarre mix of disdain and yet desire and entitlement to things, that they'll try to get them in whatever roundabout way, instead of just not watching the thing?

creators deserve to be paid. viewers deserve to not be psychologically manipulated by advertisements and algorithms.

insisting viewers "pay" by subjecting themselves to ads is an unethical business model; refusing to support the practice is a rational reaction.

"rational" as in, rationalizing the contradiction of "not paying" and "getting content anyway". just don't watch. don't support the practice entirely. it's not really as much of a stance as it is just a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave. like, the content has already manipulated you even without you paying for it and refusing to pay for it, by making you do this little dance, of trying to get it and trying to rationalize getting it.

No one is taking YouTube away from you. People make choices. There are many alternatives yet to explore. The network effect, the fact that many people, including me, are on the platform, is a benefit to the platform, more users more worth, yet no one is paying me to be there either.

Well its a two way street. Take it up with Google for not offering paid API access so people wouldn't have to rely on hacky web scraping solutions.

Creator support is probably the reason why Grayjay doesn't have SponsorBlock integration.

What it's trying to bypass is walls being put in place by Youtube after it established itself as a monopoly by leveraging technologies that worked and succeeded because of their no-walls philosophy.

Grayjay does have SponsorBlock

I pay for Youtube premium to not have to see ads and potentially be manipulated by them.

Yet I still have to watch a lot of ads there, since for a large chunk of content creators, the economic model of Youtube doesn’t seem to work and they additionally include inline ads.

There is way too much incoherence and righteous indignation in this comment for it to be the top thread here.

> "full ownership" - of what?

By a reasonable and charitable reading: full ownership over your legally-obtained copy of the material that folks (the creators/rightsholders themselves) are publishing for gratis online for anyone to watch, and likely some non-gratis stuff that you are paying these creators for if you are a subscriber and decide to enter your account details into the app.

This whole app looks to be a video player that works like an alternative frontend to the official players by e.g. YouTube, Twitch, and so on, in the vein of "unity of interface"[1] and a continuation of the spirit of the Miro player (see also: virtually every podcast app in existence).

You seem, bizarrely, to be responding to it like a new KaZaA or Popcorn Time or other torrent-backed something-or-other.

1. <https://www-archive.mozilla.org/unity-of-interface>

Grayjay allows you to view member (pay only) content if you log in with an account that has access. That allows creators to monetize their content.

I'm glad Grayjay includes an adblocker, I wouldn't use it otherwise.

> a contrived way to excuse away getting the thing you simultaneously hate and crave

> just don't watch

Is your position a value judgement on the morality of not watching ads + technology that enables you to watch as few as possible? Or on the societal fixation to consume junk?

If the former, please elaborate on your position as it relates to VCRs and DVRs of the sort that are built-in to DirecTV receivers.

i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating. "i hate this so much but i have to get it cause i apparently need it so badly". something being deserving to be obtained, yet not deserving to be paid for. and most of all, somebody feeling so entitled to it that they just can't actually refuse it completely.

You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently.

> i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating

You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

I'd call it piracy in a way. Ads are how that specific piece of content is made available - whether it be for paying file hosting costs, creator living expenses, video production, etc. Consuming media without providing compensation for it (through ad views in this case) would meet my definition of new-age piracy.

You want adblock developers to be caged by the state, like piracy site providers?

Good to know, I thought they wouldn't add it

If anything, i'd say that your interpretations and subsequent tangents are incoherent. It's really very simple. Get better at understanding.

So they're stripping away people's monetization just to insert themselves as a middleman for their own monetization? Very cool!

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