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Grayjay Desktop App

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1. riazrizvi ◴[] No.42473305[source]
I’d like to believe it but I’m so jaded at this point. Give you, one vendor, all my data from these different platforms to ‘protect my privacy’, that I only have at this point because my behavior is dispersed across platforms. Hmmm.
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3. oaththrowaway ◴[] No.42473444[source]
I don't have a FUTO, Grayjay, or Youtube account and use the app just fine
4. RobotToaster ◴[] No.42473502[source]
You're right to be sceptical, they still have their proprietary license that basically forbids forking.
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5. koen31 ◴[] No.42474728[source]
Grayjay dev here, you are not giving us any data. You can review the source code, the only data being sent to us is a single data on bootup to let us know how many users we have.
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6. koen31 ◴[] No.42474732[source]
Grayjay dev here, forking is not forbidden.
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7. riazrizvi ◴[] No.42475980[source]
I believe you.

I’m coming from the perspective that lots of great intentioned ppl who want to buck a social norm, run up against obstacles and the have to start compromising, eventually reverting back to the norm. A founder has to make an unsavory deal with an investor, or they get fired, or they cash out…

Jim Jones started out as an idealist. Putin was super popular early on.

Generally I put my faith in systems, and consider human nature as more of a constant, dependent more on situation than individual over the long term.

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8. koen31 ◴[] No.42476036{3}[source]
The license we use allows forking and distributing just not commercially.
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9. riazrizvi ◴[] No.42476135{4}[source]
Okay?

Your pitch mentions ‘privacy centered design’. Yet what you add to my world from a privacy perspective is a new custodian of my data on par with my telecom provider (highly regulated for me in California) or my Apple Browser. Apple I currently trust, because they continue to show signs of being good stewards, and they make enough money elsewhere to continue to afford the moral high ground. You guys, I need to trust that 1) you permit no 3rd party managed plugins in the client, 2) you won’t inject analytics software of your own.

I’m not managing the version of the client I download from your site, you guys do that.

EDIT: We are transitioning to a world where Govt jobs are currently being handed out by party affiliation, right now Charlie Kirk is vetting candidates for DOGE based on loyalty. There is nothing to stop companies doing the same, and I assume many of them do, with a simple review of a person’s social media activity before hiring.

This next political cycle is going to be dominated by data weaponization at a personal level IMO.

10. RobotToaster ◴[] No.42479284{3}[source]
So the license has been changed from the previous futo one, but there's still heavy restrictions on what anyone can do with it:

> You may distribute the software or provide it to others only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

>Notwithstanding the above, you may not remove or obscure any functionality in the software related to payment to the Licensor in any copy you distribute to others.

>You may not alter, remove, or obscure any licensing, copyright, or other notices of the Licensor in the software. Any use of the Licensor’s trademarks is subject to applicable law.

To me that says that if FUTO decide to paywall the entire app, nobody is allowed to fork it to remove that.