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The era of open voice assistants

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1. dboreham ◴[] No.42471768[source]
It isn't even one year since the press stories about how dumb a product Alexa was and how it makes no money and all the devs are getting laid off. Something changed now?
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2. eightysixfour ◴[] No.42471822[source]
It was a bad product at making money for Amazon, but they are useful for smart homes. Home Assistant is pretty squarely in the smart home category.

I bought two the second they were announced, I already use the software stack with the m5 atoms and they are terrible devices, but the software works well enough for me.

3. iamjackg ◴[] No.42471840[source]
Well, the various Echo devices were allegedly built as loss leaders in the hope people would use them to make orders on Amazon. This is backed by the most active open source project on GitHub, which already has extensive support for voice pipelines both with and without LLMs, and is likely priced sensibly.

A lot has changed in the open source ecosystem since commercial assistants were first launched. We have reliable open source wakeword detectors, and cheap/free LLMs can do the intent parsing, response generation, and even action calling.

4. weird-eye-issue ◴[] No.42471843[source]
Huh? Being able to do things like turn off lights or change the TV volume with your voice is actually quite a nice convenience
5. marcosdumay ◴[] No.42472101[source]
If it's not clear, the Home Assistant business plan is different from the Amazon one for Alexa... and the Home Assistant open source project is even more different.
6. sirtaj ◴[] No.42472166[source]
I've been using the HA cloud voice assistant on my phone for the past few weeks, and it's such a great change from Alexa, because integrating new services and adding sentences is actually possible.

Alexa, on the other hand, won't even allow a third party app to read its shopping list. It's no longer clear to me why Alexa even exists any more except as a kitchen timer.

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7. jmuguy ◴[] No.42472240[source]
Amazon lost 25 billion dollars on Alexa (between 2017 and 2021, from WSJ https://archive.is/uMTOB). Selling the hardware at a loss and I imagine a bigger portion was the thousands of people they had working in that division.

So yeah, Alexa is a dumb product... for Amazon. No one uses Alexa to buy anything from Amazon because the only way you can be sure of what you're ordering from Amazon is to be looking at the site. Otherwise you might get cat food from "JOYFUNG BEST Brand 2024" and not Purina.

Voice Assistants for Home Automation, like what Home Assistant is offering, are awesome. And this in particular is exciting exactly because of Alexa's failure as a product. Amazon clearly does not care about Alexa now, its been getting worse as they try to shoehorn in more and more monetization strategies.

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8. baq ◴[] No.42472904[source]
They must be working on a LLM backend for it so it isn't dumb as a rock.

Nothing makes sense otherwise, agreed.

9. causal ◴[] No.42473255[source]
> “We worried we’ve hired 10,000 people and we’ve built a smart timer,” said a former senior employee.

How the hell did Amazon hire that many people to develop such low-tech devices.

10. drewcoo ◴[] No.42474881[source]
> the only way you can be sure of what you're ordering from Amazon is to be looking at the site

Ah . . . an optimist!