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    A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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    drdaeman ◴[] No.42464753[source]
    Are AirTags actually useful for anti-theft purposes?

    I threw one in the trunk of my car (just in case - I ordered a 4-pack and I had a spare one), and every single time I drive somewhere it chirps loudly when I'm exiting my driveway, making its presence immediately obvious without any delays, and despite my phone being with me in the car.

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    1. dmajor2 ◴[] No.42464811[source]
    No, they have been rendered useless for that purpose through software updates because of the almost 100% overlap of the use cases of 1) stalking someone 2) and tracking a thief.
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    2. ronsor ◴[] No.42464919[source]
    Wait until they realize the almost 100% overlap between the camera's use cases of 1) spying on people and 2) recording nature
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    3. post-it ◴[] No.42465038[source]
    Nature cameras are relatively hard to conceal (from humans), whereas AirTags are very easy to conceal.
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    4. theshrike79 ◴[] No.42465824{3}[source]
    They are also very bad for tracking compared to what you can get on Aliexpress/eBay/Amazon (which are the same tbh).

    For about the same price you can get a device with a SIM card and GPS/GLONASS and _zero_ ways to detect it.

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    5. nucleardog ◴[] No.42466070[source]
    I think you can still thread the needle. The cases are identical except for one situation--if the air tag is difficult to find or remove.

    If you can't find or remove the air tag, then the option you have left to not be tracked is to separate yourself from the tracked thing. In the case of someone being stalked, that's inconvenient (that doesn't do it justice, but not really important to my point). In the case of someone who stole something, that's actually the desired outcome.

    Imagine a situation where you get in a car and a few minutes later it says there's an air tag following you.

    If you're being stalked... you can drive straight to a mechanic who can take all the time they need to find it, take a taxi over to the police and report it, etc.

    If you just stole that car, now you know you're on the clock. Once someone's looking for you and that vehicle, there's a really good chance they're going to find it. You can take it to a mechanic, but a reputable mechanic might have some questions. You can try a less reputable mechanic, but they're gonna be pissed when the cops come knocking asking about the stolen car sitting over there and you might not be going back there any time soon. So if you can't find and remove the air tag relatively quickly, what options do you have left? Probably makes more sense to abandon the vehicle and try another one with a lower risk of winding up in jail.

    I _know_ where the air tag is in my suitcase and it would take me tools and ~15 minutes to remove. How long is someone going to spend at that versus just tossing it?

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    6. to11mtm ◴[] No.42466457[source]
    TBH your response makes me realize there's possibly a decent use case for bicycles with the right diameter tubing.

    > You can try a less reputable mechanic, but they're gonna be pissed when the cops come knocking asking about the stolen car sitting over there and you might not be going back there any time soon. So if you can't find and remove the air tag relatively quickly, what options do you have left? Probably makes more sense to abandon the vehicle and try another one with a lower risk of winding up in jail.

    Depends on the skill of the chop-shop or it's folks and where you are.

    A fun thought experience would be how much suspicion a flatbed tow truck with some form of faraday cage around the car, below a cover would get from LE.

    Agree with your general 'deterrent' concept, I think the main challenge a lot of folks run into is getting lazy with placement. Glove/console boxes, the 'pockets' on the back of front seats, are all stupid easy. Technically anything in the interior, probably can be 'found' with sufficient detection capability.

    No, you put that thing somewhere weird and ideally a PITA to get at.

    This honestly gives me the idea of finding the right spot in my WRX front headlights to make it not visible; If the spot I'm thinking of will work, they'd literally have to pull off the front bumper to even get at it...

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    7. post-it ◴[] No.42467167{4}[source]
    What's the battery life on that though? The appeal of AirTags is that they last a year and work anywhere that has an iPhone nearby.
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    8. anamexis ◴[] No.42467441{3}[source]
    There's a bunch of bicycle accessories available specifically for hiding Airtags on bicycles. Under the bottle cage and under the saddle are two popular options.
    9. throwaway2037 ◴[] No.42467586{4}[source]
    Can you give a couple of example products? I am very curious.
    10. nucleardog ◴[] No.42468533{3}[source]
    Not sure what year your WRX is but my my suggestion would be "cup holders". And I don't mean "leave it in a cup holder"--pop the boot off the hand brake and there's like one screw and some clips to remove the cup holders from the center console and then an absolute _ton_ of space underneath. Even if someone _was_ looking there, there's room to hide it (hell, it's carpeted so a discreet hole in the carpet could hide it well).

    If you put it towards the back near the center console storage, even with a phone someone's going to be checking the cup holders, the center console storage, down beside the seats, the seat back pockets, under the seats, _in the seats_, etc first. Then rechecking them. Then checking them again. Like you say, those would all be "normal" places to put it or drop it.

    But you'll be able to pull it out and replace the battery or something in like 20 minutes when you had to do it once a year with nothing but a phillips screwdriver.

    Alternatively, if you don't mind listening to it rattle around sometimes, from what I hear from people who have dropped rings and things into the under seat vents... you basically need to remove the entire interior to get in there. I'd get the 10 year battery first though.

    11. theshrike79 ◴[] No.42468718{5}[source]
    Depends on the device. Some are active all the time, some can sleep and only wake up to get their position fix every hour or so. It's not exactly rocket science to adjust the programming.

    And if you're stalking someone for a year, you'll have ample options to swap the device to a new one with a fresh battery.