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kannonboy ◴[] No.42314852[source]
I love that the view count is included in the minimalist UI. I came across one with zero views, and there's something so intimate and exciting about being the first person to watch an ancient home video (even if it's shaky handycam footage of a horse, narrated in Russian).

As an aside, hats off to Google to being able to serve an 11 year old video with no noticeable delay from what must be the coldest of caches.

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mattlondon ◴[] No.42316775[source]
I felt slightly uneasy myself - the first thing I saw was a mum laying on her bed doing a selfie-video with two small kids (probably between 2 and 4 years old) singing a song to daddy.

That felt like a total invasion of their private lives.

I've had the same videos from my own kids, and while there is nothing embarrassing or shameful about it, it's not something I'd want broadcasted. Maybe it hit a nerve for me as it is so very very similar to my own life right now. Sure yeah they uploaded it to YouTube and it's public but it still felt wrong to watch that.

Kinda ruined my day a bit - feel kinda bad for viewing it.

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1. mdanger007 ◴[] No.42317650[source]
Ruined your day? Although it is undoubtedly tech voyeurism the fact that these observations occur in every day life and don’t violate people’s privacy I would just like to invite you to get out more.
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2. lukan ◴[] No.42318260[source]
"don’t violate people’s privacy"

Did you asked the kids in the videos (who are grownups or teenagers now) if they are ok with random strangers watching their kids life?

Also I would doubt, that most people were aware, that they were uploading the video to the general public.

So there are surely worse things going on, but I also felt uneasy after watching such private videos.

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3. mattlondon ◴[] No.42318297[source]
I don't think it is invading their privacy-with-a-big-P (after all I have no idea who these people are or where the lived etc), it is more just socially it felt inappropriate.

I think if a young family was sat on a park bench doing this and you went and sat on the bench between the mother and the father it would be considered at the least incredibly rude and inappropriate. Even if they are in a public place and you are not technically violating any laws, you'd still be acting in a way that most people would disagree with.

This is what it felt like to me.

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4. supplied_demand ◴[] No.42318584[source]
==occur in every day life and don’t violate people’s privacy==

Plenty of things happen in every day life, but are private (sex, break-ups, proposals, Dr. visits, etc.). I also noticed lots of these videos have people in the background. I doubt they were they notified that a video was being taken and uploaded publicly.

==I would just like to invite you to get out more.==

Maybe an alternative is to invite yourself to ask questions about why there are multiple comments with the same sentiment rather than reflexively telling them how to feel/act?

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6. hoten ◴[] No.42319870[source]
If I can tweak the metaphor, it's more like sitting on a vantage point within the park and peering at them with binoculars, far enough away that they can't see. It's still ick but definitely intrudes on them far less.
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7. Dylan16807 ◴[] No.42320194[source]
> multiple comments with the same sentiment

Multiple comments saying it felt creepy or multiple comments saying it ruined their day to any extent? Those aren't the same thing.

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8. supplied_demand ◴[] No.42320449{3}[source]
There is literally a comment thanking the person who made the original comment because they felt the exact same way.

==Thanks - that's exactly how I felt after watching a view videos==

The original comment was a long explanation that ended with: ==Kinda ruined my day a bit==

Seems like pretty tame language to get worked up about, I see two qualifiers in merely 6 words.

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9. Dylan16807 ◴[] No.42320507{4}[source]
Without more clarification, I am unsure about whether feeling the same applies to the day ruining or just the direct reaction.

> Seems like pretty tame language to get worked up about, I see two qualifiers in merely 6 words.

I don't think anyone here is worked up.

10. fluoridation ◴[] No.42320705{3}[source]
No, it's more like someone took a photo of themselves to show to their family, and after they were done with it they left it on a bench in a park (perhaps not realizing that the photo wouldn't magically go away on its own), and a long long time afterwards someone happened to stumble upon it and look at it.
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11. fluoridation ◴[] No.42320791[source]
>Did you asked the kids in the videos (who are grownups or teenagers now) if they are ok with random strangers watching their kids life?

>Also I would doubt, that most people were aware, that they were uploading the video to the general public.

Those sentences are working against each other. You don't need to ask for permission to observe something in public. That's what makes the public sphere public; that there are restrictions and expectations in the private sphere that don't exist in the public sphere. If someone mistakenly believes they're in private when they're not, that's unfortunate for them. It's their responsibility to know where they are, not your responsibility to act according to their expectation. You're not obligated to avert your gaze if someone walks out in public not wearing pants by mistake. Is it polite to do it? Sure. Is it wrong not to do it? No.

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12. lukan ◴[] No.42320953{3}[source]
"Those sentences are working against each other. "

Not when the topic is privacy. This is not someone walking in public, those are videos out of private homes. Just because someone uploaded something, does not mean he had

a) the rights to do so (I saw a clip where a women asked a bit angry, are you making a movie?)

B) was aware what he is doing

(Google and co do have a incentive to mislead people about who will be able to access data)

So it might be technical legal. It if is moral, is up to yourself to decide.

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13. mdanger007 ◴[] No.42320995[source]
Are we watching the same YouTube clips?
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14. fluoridation ◴[] No.42321037{4}[source]
>This is not someone walking in public, those are videos out of private homes.

Yes, it's like someone watching a private video on their phone while on the train. You don't have a right to not have someone looking over your shoulder if you do that. While out in public you have implicit permission to look over someone else's shoulder because that's what "public" means. Public means the absence of privacy.

>a) the rights to do so (I saw a clip where a women asked a bit angry, are you making a movie?)

>B) was aware what he is doing

Both are the problem of whoever took the video and/or uploaded it, not of the person watching it later.

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15. supplied_demand ◴[] No.42321271{3}[source]
I think by definition, we are not watching the same Youtube clips. Isn't that how the app works?
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16. lukan ◴[] No.42321464{5}[source]
Erm, it depends. If you have to go out of your way, to look into my screen, than no, not ok.

But if I have my screen careless in the open, that is on me.

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18. mdanger007 ◴[] No.42321604{4}[source]
If your issue is the unwitting use of people’s images for corporate profit I think we can agree that especially irksome when it’s children. But does it ruin your day or seeing especially exploitative to see a child at a petting zoo or celebrating their birthday like maybe one in a dozen clip show or is there room for nuance?
19. mdanger007 ◴[] No.42321621{4}[source]
I don’t know if you intentionally take my point out of context, but the man was arguing that it ruined his day because there were such things as sex in these random clips.
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20. mdanger007 ◴[] No.42321649{4}[source]
Yes! This is the nuance I’m looking for. There are issues with corporations exploiting our private lives and data but if one were to find someone’s family photo album left sitting around it doesn’t seem horrible to me to take a look.
21. supplied_demand ◴[] No.42322365{5}[source]
It's possible you got lost in the comment thread. I said one of those things and the original commentor said the other.

--The original commentor said that it "kinda ruined their day a bit" and felt a little intrusive.

--Then someone responded by saying that is was just things that occur in every day life and doesn't violate anyone's privacy.

--Then I responded to clarify that things which occur in every day life can still be intrusive to privacy i.e. sex, breakups, drug use, etc.

I did not say that people were having sex in these clips, nor did the original commentor.

22. kelnos ◴[] No.42322408{4}[source]
I suppose the person upthread could have been exaggerating or using hyperbole for effect, but it seems a bit much for something like this to "ruin your day".

Having said that, it also seems like a bit much for that other commenter to find it worth policing their feelings like that.

23. fluoridation ◴[] No.42323465{6}[source]
>If you have to go out of your way, to look into my screen, than no, not ok.

Well, I didn't talk about what is OK or not OK. What I said is you don't have a right to not have someone looking over your shoulder. Unless that person is touching you or following you to do it, there's nothing you can do to stop someone who's snooping at your screen in public if they don't want to stop.