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Animats ◴[] No.42249258[source]
> But others said the admissions exam and additional application requirements are inherently unfair to students of color who face socioeconomic disadvantages. Elaine Waldman, whose daughter is enrolled in Reed’s IHP, said the test is “elitist and exclusionary,” and hoped dropping it would improve the diversity of the program.

Recognizing gifted students is inherently discriminatory. Because these are the numbers:

Average IQ [1]

- Ashkenazi Jews - 107-115

- East Asians - 110

- White Americans - 102

- Black Americans - 90

There are other numbers from other sources, but they all rank in that order. There's a huge amount of denial about this. There are more articles trying to explain this away than ones that report the results.

(Average US Black IQ has been rising over the last few decades, but the US definition of "Black" includes mixed race. That may be a consequence of intermarriage producing more brown people, causing reversion to the mean. IQ vs 23 and Me data would be interesting. Does anyone collect that?)

Gladwell's new book, "The Revenge of The Tipping Point" goes into this at length. The Ivy League is struggling to avoid becoming majority-Asian. Caltech, which has no legacy admissions, is majority-Asian. So is UC Berkeley.[3]

Of course, this may become less significant once AI gets smarter and human intelligence becomes less necessary in bulk. Hiring criteria for railroads and manufacturing up to WWII favored physically robust men with moderate intelligence. Until technology really got rolling, the demand for smart people was lower than their prevalence in the population.

We may be headed back in that direction. Consider Uber, Doordash, Amazon, and fast food. Machines think and plan, most humans carry out the orders of the machines. A small number of humans direct.

[1] https://iqinternational.org/insights/understanding-average-i...

[2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-scor...

[3] https://opa.berkeley.edu/campus-data/uc-berkeley-quick-facts

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atmavatar ◴[] No.42249557[source]
It's worth pointing out that childhood malnutrition has a significant negative impact on IQ that persists into adulthood.

See: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3796166/

Black children are far more likely to live in poverty than the other three groups presented in the parent comment. I'm really curious what the numbers would be were that not the case. I also wonder how much the rise in black IQ over the decades can be attributed to school lunch programs.

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1. rahimnathwani ◴[] No.42252264[source]
For 2023-2024, among SFUSD students who are 'Economically Disadvantaged':

70% of Asian 3rd graders met or exceeded state standards for math.

18% of Black or African American 3rd graders met or exceeded state standards for math.

The difference is similar for all grade levels (3 to 11) and for all years for which I've seen the data.

California provides lunch for all children who attend public schools. SFUSD gives first choice of school to those who live in the very poorest areas of the city.

https://caaspp-elpac.ets.org/caaspp/ViewReportSB?ps=true&lst...

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2. Animats ◴[] No.42259852[source]
In that data set

Compare 2023–24 Detailed Test Results Results by Ethnicity for Economically Disadvantaged - Asian

with

2023–24 Detailed Test Results Results by Ethnicity for Non Economically Disadvantaged - Black

Comparing poor Asians against non-poor Blacks, the Asians do about 3x better. It's a huge difference.