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How good are American roads?

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jameshart ◴[] No.42194610[source]
This is a great analysis but it does focus exclusively on ‘roughness’, which is obviously important but isn’t the be-all-end-all of road quality.

One area I notice in particular that roads in the northeast US subjectively feel worse than Europe is in quality of road markings. Constant plow scraping and harsh salting seems to destroy markings.

I think it also shows up in the overall fit and finish of road infrastructure - edging and barriers, signage, lighting, maintenance of medians, how curbs and furniture contribute to junction legibility… and of course bridges.

One major reason is that European countries typically have national road agencies and consistent standards across the country (because, generally, smaller and less federal). US’s patchwork of federal, state and local road maintenance leads to vastly different budgets and department priorities across the network.

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dyauspitr ◴[] No.42196762[source]
For what it’s worth I hate the roads and parking in Europe. Roads are narrow, intersections are chaotic and parking is a joke. I drove around Europe for around 3 months (France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Belgium etc.) and longed to drive back in the US again.
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switch007 ◴[] No.42197027[source]
Yeah in Europe you want to head for the main train stations or Park and Rides if you're spending time in cities. They usually have large car parks and good public transport.

Outside of towns and cities the road networks in those countries are generally excellent. Especially in France and Italy with their toll roads.

If you're just going city to city, take the train.

I've driven extensively in Spain and to a lesser extent France, Italy and Germany and never found parking a "joke" except in cities or with a huge car. Of course, due to density, the free parking places are usually very busy and hectic. But there's always an option to pay/pay more

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71bw ◴[] No.42202565[source]
>Yeah in Europe you want to head for the main train stations or Park and Rides if you're spending time in cities. They usually have large car parks and good public transport.

I live in Europe. I have travelled in Europe immensely over the last 15 years. I would NEVER recommend anybody this strategy, ESPECIALLY if they're coming from outside the EU.

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switch007 ◴[] No.42203410[source]
Any particular reason?

The main thrust was about finding a big car park outside of the historic centre and use your legs. Not sure what is objectional about that

(I'm also European if we're doing that)

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1. DiggyJohnson ◴[] No.42205826[source]
Well, how do you travel personally? Do you employ the same approach that you're recommending here?
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2. switch007 ◴[] No.42208855[source]
Yes

When visiting Europe, I mostly avoid cities, but when I visit them, I usually take public transport. (Yes, if you stalk my comments, you'll see I make an exception occasionally). I've parked at various train stations in Europe and got the train in, especially the bigger cities

Outside of cities (e.g. the coasts) I usually rent a car, and park in the cheaper spots and use my legs.

I'm generally pretty tight when it comes to paying for parking. 15 EUR a day is my limit when travelling so usually find cheaper alternatives even if it means more walking

At home in the UK I walk, cycle, take the train and drive. Again, I tend to avoid cities but yes I do use Park and Ride sometimes when I drive. Or I park on the outskirts during free periods (e.g. Sundays).

On top of that, I live close to amenities and walk everywhere for shopping etc. It's not flat either.

Satisfied? :)