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getpost ◴[] No.42199072[source]
If anything you ever say during routine business operations can end up as evidence, clear and honest communication will suffer. The effectiveness of organizations, including the ability to act ethically, will be seriously degraded.

There needs to be some kind of work product doctrine, which protects the privacy of routine business communication. Defining that, while allowing the collection of evidence of criminal activity, won't be easy, but the current state of affairs is unworkable.

I don't wish to facilitate corporate crime, and it's obvious that some of Google's anti-competitive behavior is unlawful. But, I don't see any realistic alternative to what Google is doing in the current legal environment.

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lancesells ◴[] No.42199195[source]
> If anything you ever say during routine business operations can end up as evidence, clear and honest communication will suffer. The effectiveness of organizations, including the ability to act ethically, will be seriously degraded.

> There needs to be some kind of work product doctrine, which protects the privacy of routine business communication.

Wow. This is the opposite of how I feel. Mega-corporations should have their communications logged at a much higher level than a normal business. The things that have come out in court show how they manipulated their customers (advertisers). Regardless of how you feel about advertising a portion of those companies are small mom and pop shops trying to get by. If you have communications that can be used as evidence you're probably in the wrong.

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Aerroon ◴[] No.42199507[source]
Corporations aren't real things. It's a group of people doing something. And people make mistakes.

One of the objectives of a corporation is to reduce liability. If open and honest communication means that they end up liable, then they just won't have open and honest communication. End result is dysfunctional and compartmentalized companies. And ultimately the cost for all of this will be borne by everyone.

One way to get open and honest communications from the corporation is if employees are personally liable. But then you wouldn't have open and honest communication from those employees.

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1. vlovich123 ◴[] No.42200471{3}[source]
> End result is dysfunctional and compartmentalized companies. And ultimately the cost for all of this will be borne by everyone.

Only once they get really big though. And maybe that's OK. While it increases the price of goods from that company, it lets smaller companies compete without the larger companies straight up ignoring the competition. Letting large players continue to dominate is worse for the cost experienced by everyone else.