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100 points jonasnelle | 2 comments | | HN request time: 0.428s | source

Hey HN, we're Alexi and Jonas the co-founders of Autotab (https://autotab.com). Autotab is a chrome-based browser you can teach to do complex tasks, with a simple API for running them from your app or backend.

Here is a walkthrough of how it works: https://youtu.be/63co74JHy1k, and you can try it for free at https://autotab.com by downloading the app.

Why a dedicated editor?

The number one blocker we've found in building more flexible, agentic automations is performance quality BY FAR (https://www.langchain.com/stateofaiagents#barriers-and-chall...). For all the talk of cost, latency, and safety, the fact is most people are still just struggling to get agents to work. The keys to solving reliability are better models, yes, but also intent specification. Even humans don't zero-shot these tasks from a prompt. They need to be shown how to perform them, and then refined with question-asking + feedback over time. It is also quite difficult to formulate complete requirements on the spot from memory.

The editor makes it easy to build the specification up as you step through your workflow, while generating successful task trajectories for the model. This is the only way we've been able to get the reliability we need for production use cases.

But why build a browser?

Autotab started as a Chrome extension (with a Show HN post! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37943931). As we iterated with users, we realized that we needed to focus on creating the control surface for intent specification, and that being stuck in a chrome sidepanel wasn't going to work. We also knew that we needed a level of control for the model that we couldn't get without owning the browser. In Autotab, the browser becomes a canvas on which the user and the model are taking turns showing and explaining the task.

Key features:

1. Self-healing automations that don't break when sites change

2. Dedicated authoring tool that builds memory for the model while defining steps for the automation

3. Control flows and deep configurability to keep automations on track, even when navigating complex reasoning tasks

4. Works with any website (no site-specific APIs needed)

5. Runs securely in the cloud or locally

6. Simple REST API + client libraries for Python, Node

We'd love to get any early feedback from the HN community, ideas for where you'd like the product to go, or experiences in this space. We will be in the comments for the next few hours to respond!

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smashah ◴[] No.42198656[source]
If this was an OSS project automating a specific service many HN-ers would come and bleet about TOS violations & being scared/wary of C&Ds.

How does this not violate TOS? Do you have legal protection set up from megacorps trying to bully you with legal threats?

Automation despite TOS via Adversarial Interop should be a Digital Human Right. Godspeed.

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1. jonasnelle ◴[] No.42198816[source]
This has been much less of an issue than I would have expected - Autotab is optimized for reasoning heavy tasks in core systems that require high reliability over being really fast at doing giant scrapes. More automating leads in Salesforce, tickets in Jira and data in Airtable than hawking tickets.
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2. smashah ◴[] No.42199325[source]
Just want to reiterate I fully support what you're doing and I despise the megacorps that send out legal threats to small companies/OSS devs but according to their overbroad TOS they do not make distinctions between the types of automations and reasoning behind them - technically, they would argue, both you and your users are violating TOS. I'm sure you have already, but make sure the legal help at YC give you the ammo you need to protect yourself and your customers when some of them randomly start getting banned.

As more and more AI Agent enabled tooling comes out, this will become a bigger issue (the fact that people are automating these services against the TOS) so it's good if everyone who can get legal help has and shares the tactics to fight back against any civil TOS-based legal threats so we are all protected.