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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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597 points mooreds | 2 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0.417s | source
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leshokunin ◴[18 Nov 24 20:06 UTC] No.42176328[source]▶
The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with.

We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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petre ◴[18 Nov 24 20:50 UTC] No.42176846[source]▶
Best course of action at this time would be to properly arm Ukraine.
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johnisgood ◴[18 Nov 24 21:28 UTC] No.42177261[source]▶
Which happened and kept happening for a long time now, including the US sending billions of dollars and weapons (among other things). That did not help, did it?
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libertine ◴[18 Nov 24 23:30 UTC] No.42178401[source]▶
> That did not help, did it?

I'm sorry, but this is the type of claim of someone who gets news from the Joe Rogan podcast.

Ukraine managed to defend its capital from annexation, liberated thousands of miles of territory, and managed to improve its protection of civilians thanks to air defense systems, has lower casualty rates than Russia, and now is starting to create a buffer zone into Russian territory.

How isn't this a sign that it didn't help?

Now... could, and should, Ukraine receive way more help, on time to help them even more? Of course. The drip feed has been one of the worse strategic decisions in this conflict, almost like there's no strategy in place.

But Ukraine needs to develop its deterrence.

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1. mrguyorama ◴[20 Nov 24 18:31 UTC] No.42196796[source]▶
>But Ukraine needs to develop its deterrence.

The failure to protect Ukraine without it needing to develop nukes is the end of nuclear non-proliferation.

You either have nukes, or Russia will make up some bullshit to invade you.

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2. libertine ◴[23 Nov 24 14:37 UTC] No.42221111[source]▶
That's why I think it's imperative to help Ukraine. Because if Ukraine loses in a year you'll have:

- Iran suddenly pops out with nukes;

- Then Saudis will show off their own nuclear deterrence;

- South Korea will need to have nukes against NK and Russia;

- For sure Poland doesn't want to be left hanging out to dry with Trump, so for sure they'll get it;

- Germany might as well do it;

- Vietnam if they can develop it;

- Baltic states might make a coalition to develop nukes;

- Japan?