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debacle ◴[] No.42195000[source]
Antilock brakes are bad enough. I don't want to ever own a car with an automatic braking system.
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hypeatei ◴[] No.42195142[source]
How are anti-lock brakes bad? What?
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1. debacle ◴[] No.42196398[source]
ABS can be very dangerous, and as a technology are less good than simply knowing how to drive in the snow.

For someone who thinks that you need to slam on the brakes to stop, ABS are probably fine (but you will lose a lot of stopping power). For someone who understands that you need to gently ease onto the brakes to stop, ABS are detrimental and can put you in dangerous situations because, once they engage, they can be hard to disengage fast enough to recover.

This is why a lot of cars these days have added a button to disable ABS/traction control.

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2. instaclay ◴[] No.42197784[source]
Hard disagree. You can't win.

> (but you will lose a lot of stopping power)

Source?

Look up demos on ABS anywhere on the web. You'd be hard pressed to find a professional driver defeating the stopping distance of ABS against threshold braking. Including F1 drivers.

These demos are often done in controlled conditions on a track, with a highly experienced driver. The demos are plentiful.

The one scenario I can see a driver outperforming ABS is in the snow/ice, as you mentioned. But even that comes with caveats.. such as -> Are really prepared to preform optimally in an emergency situation? Is loss of control acceptable such as to prevent an accident VS keeping control in order to change directions in order to avoid an obstacle? The ideal balance between these are handled well with ABS in most situations, including snow. The MORE ideal situation is to drive in such a way that you do not out-pace your braking capabilities on your following distance.

Related to a real-world in a split second decision scenario, there's no contest between a pro and ABS. Not to mention your average driver vs ABS.

>This is why a lot of cars these days have added a button to disable ABS/traction control.

Source on that?

I personally believe there are OFF switches on some cars (not all) due to personal owner preference. Personally, Ive used this switch to reduce launch control issues when I'm planning on a hard acceleration. NEVER to attempt to defeat the computer in deceleration.

My favorite video explainer on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GEUkiMuLk