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Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times matching when they broke

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499 points perihelions | 9 comments | 20 Nov 24 06:56 UTC | HN request time: 0.008s | source | bottom
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mitjam ◴[20 Nov 24 11:52 UTC] No.42193017[source]▶
It was crossing right on time for the interruptions, a Russian officer was on board, it slowed down while crossing, no other ships were slowing down in that area during that time (rulingnout headwinds) - it cannot get much clearer. China is now participating in hybrid warfare against Europe (unless they present stronger evidence against this assumption)
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underseacables ◴[20 Nov 24 15:15 UTC] No.42194583[source]▶
I don't know if the evidence is conclusive, but I do think we can say China is supplying Russia with military hardware and supporting them in other ways. So.. it's possible.
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1. gizmo ◴[20 Nov 24 15:21 UTC] No.42194645[source]▶
China trades with pretty much everybody, don't read too much into that.

China is not allied with Russia and China is unlikely to engage in sabotage like this because they stand nothing to gain from it.

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2. petesergeant ◴[20 Nov 24 15:32 UTC] No.42194769[source]▶
> China is not allied with Russia

They don't have a mutual defense treaty, sure, but they describe themselves as having a “friendship without limits”. I would agree that China has no interest in getting involved in Putin's idiot war in Ukraine though, and there's zero benefit to China in antagonizing Europe.

3. BurningFrog ◴[20 Nov 24 15:37 UTC] No.42194827[source]▶
They do have an alliance: https://www.cfr.org/article/china-russia-and-ukraine-october...

What the words are worth in a time of need remains to be seen. Neither side is exactly trustworthy :)

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4. gizmo ◴[20 Nov 24 15:43 UTC] No.42194908[source]▶
Blessedly we're citizens of good and noble western countries that are supremely trustworthy and that would never ever renege on a deal or fight unjust wars.
5. fakedang ◴[20 Nov 24 16:02 UTC] No.42195178[source]▶
From what I understood, China was completely blindsided by the invasion (given that it happened so soon after the announcement of the alliance), and actually somewhat pissed. Russia basically used their alliance as insurance against a fully global sanctions regime, and China had to stick around to save face.
6. ceejayoz ◴[20 Nov 24 16:13 UTC] No.42195325[source]▶
Russia and North Korea have a newly signed defense pact (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/world/asia/china-russia-n...). I don't believe Russia and China do, though.

They are absolutely allies, though. Per Putin himself. https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-says-china-is-russias-al...

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7. miningape ◴[20 Nov 24 16:15 UTC] No.42195366[source]▶
I'm no fan of the CCP either but really what do they stand to gain here? Getting dragged into Russia's conflicts and the sanctions that would ensue would be devastating to the Chinese economy and security of the CCP's control.

The CCP are aware of this fact and they're planning for it, but they're not ready yet.

8. gizmo ◴[20 Nov 24 16:17 UTC] No.42195387[source]▶
What they have falls short of a defense pact. The "Treaty of Good-Neighborliness" contains language that the countries shall immediately discuss military options when under attack, but an agreement to talk is not an agreement to join a war.

This is what article 9 says: "When a situation arises in which one of the contracting parties deems that peace is being threatened and undermined or its security interests are involved or when it is confronted with the threat of aggression, the contracting parties shall immediately hold contacts and consultations in order to eliminate such threats."

9. gizmo ◴[20 Nov 24 16:21 UTC] No.42195445{3}[source]▶
Russia desperately needs allies. Russia wants China to be their unconditional ally. Unfortunately for Putin, and fortunately for the rest of us, China cares primarily about China.