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tlogan ◴[] No.42183230[source]
The issue isn’t that Scientific American leans “pro-Democrat” and it is political. It always has, and that’s understandable.

The real problem is that the modern Democratic Party increasingly aligns with postmodernism, which is inherently anti-science (Postmodernism challenges the objectivity and universality of scientific knowledge, framing it as a social construct shaped by culture, power, and historical context, rather than an evidence-based pursuit of truth).

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wolfram74 ◴[] No.42183266[source]
We have such low standards for republicans, it's amazing. We complain that democrats are increasingly acknowleding that science is done by humans and humans will tend to ask questions based on what phenomena they've encountered and what explanations they've been given in their lives up til then, but totally give the republicans a pass on catering to groups that deny global warming, evolution or even that the world is more than 6000 years old.
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Philorandroid ◴[] No.42183332[source]
Tu quoque; Republicans harboring fringe beliefs in some cases isn't a response to Democrats' mainstream acceptance of beliefs that the scientific method doesn't accurately reflect reality.
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BadHumans ◴[] No.42183655[source]
I think it is fair to say that through the nomination process, whoever is voted to run as the Republican nominee for president is considered to be the best representative for the party. Looking at the president-elect and all of the leaders of the party, saying they have "fringe beliefs in some cases" is severely downplaying it.
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Philorandroid ◴[] No.42183836[source]
That's a naive way to see it. People vote _against_ the other candidate, against what they fear is worse. And, if the theory that the frontrunner is the best representation of the party holds true, it speaks quite poorly for the Democrats appointing Harris despite Biden winning the vote of his party, no?

And, again, tu quoque; even if the GOP was exhaustively comprised of reality-evading lunatics, voters and all, it wouldn't excuse stooping to their level -- the DNC's _explicit_ support of racial identitarianism, benevolent racism, and biological denialism run in direct opposition to this supposed moral high ground they tacitly hold.

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BadHumans ◴[] No.42184720[source]
> it speaks quite poorly for the Democrats appointing Harris despite Biden winning the vote of his party, no?

Yes it does. I agree fully.

> the DNC's _explicit_ support of racial identitarianism, benevolent racism, and biological denialism run in direct opposition to this supposed moral high ground they tacitly hold.

I don't think benevolent racism means what you think it means and no one is denying biology. Trans people aren't even denying biology. I would suggest you actually speak to a few trans people in real life.

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bongoman42 ◴[] No.42188151[source]
umm.. Scientific American said that differences in athletic ability of men and women are not based in Biology.
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BadHumans ◴[] No.42188733[source]
I am definitely not the person to write a dissertation in support of trans people but the logic being used as I understand it is that male and female are not the same as man and woman. Whether I or anyone else agree with that is up in the air.
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oldnetguy ◴[] No.42190601[source]
Man by definition is an adult human male and woman by definition is an adult human female. So there is that.
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defrost ◴[] No.42190622[source]
Just sticking with actual science here; how do you define "adult human male", how do you define "adult human female" .. and what do you label humans that don't meet either of your definitions?

I'm assuming you have a checklist of physical characteristics and genetic attributes in mind, sticking purely with that which can be measured, tested and observed and steering clear of fuzzy concepts.

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oldnetguy ◴[] No.42192108[source]
Males are females are biological sex labels. It's how our bodies develop so we can reproduce. Even if our bodies don't develop properly or if we have developmental sex disorders we are all either male or female.

If you lookup biological adult, it's just someone who has completeled their reproductive development.

So Boy, Girl, Man and Woman are also sex labels.

Also we now know more about how sex is more then just genitalia. This is why we have Sex and a Biological Variable https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2016215

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B97803...!

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defrost ◴[] No.42192784{3}[source]
> Even if our bodies don't develop properly or if we have developmental sex disorders we are all either male or female.

That's not what the actual developmental science says though.

The strong all humans are either male OR female by { unprovided definition } is simply incorrect.

> If you lookup biological adult, it's just someone who has completeled their reproductive development.

Sure. Some are born and develop into biological adult males. Others are born and develop into biological adult females. And others yet again are born and grow into adults who are neither one nor the other.

Look it up .. start with "intersex".

See your own first link, for example, it's really sloppy, and yet:

    Although all cells have a sex, designated by the presence and dosage of X or Y chromosomes, which in most cases will be XX (female) or XY (male), 

* all cells will have a sex (okay ...)

* most will be XX (female) OR XY (male) (... okay)

* ... crickets ...

Nothing said about those cells that are neither male nor female.

All that aside, you have dodged the question.

What definition do you have for male, for female, and what do you designate the remainder?

Are you even aware that people are born who are neither male nor female by any of the generally accepted physical and genetic attributes?

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1. codocod ◴[] No.42193247{4}[source]
The comment this subthread branched from was discussing the differences in athletic ability.

From the intersection of developmental biology and sports science research we know how male physical advantage in competition arises, and which set of known "intersex" (DSD) conditions confer this. For example, 5-alpha reductase 2 deficiency does. Swyer syndrome does not.

World Athletics' policy document Eligibility Regulations for the Female Classification does a good job of implementing this research into a workable policy: https://worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=2ffb8b...

Rather than trying to label all edge cases "female" or "male", this pragmatic approach optimizes for fairness in competition instead.

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2. defrost ◴[] No.42193415[source]
The comment I replied to was this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42190601

As you can see it made no mention of athletics.

I was curious about the self referential circular definitions and enquired of a specific person what their understanding of development biology was.

Thankyou for your response, it might be better directed toward the person who apparently hasn't yet realised that such a thing as intersex categories and conditions even exist.

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