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pests ◴[] No.42191619[source]
It feels like just yesterday I was paying for certs, or worst, just running without.

Can't believe its been ten years.

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ozim ◴[] No.42191666[source]
Can’t believe there are still anti TLS weirdos.
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dijit ◴[] No.42191688[source]
The digital equivalent of a local kebab shop menu does not need encryption.

The lack of understanding from us as technologists for people who would have had a working site and are now forced into either: an oligopoly of site hosting companies, or, for their site to break consistently as TLS standards rotate is one thing that brings me shame about our community.

You can come up with all kinds of reasons to gatekeep website hosting, “they have to update anyway” even when updating means reinstallion of an OS, “its not that hard to rotate” say people with deep knowledge of computers, “just get someone else to do it” say people who have a financial interest in it being that way.

Framing people with legitimate issues as weirdo’s is not as charming as you think it is.

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1. gotodengo ◴[] No.42191785[source]
Their site will break consistently in any case. Running a site in 2024 comes with a responsibility to update regularly for a good reason.

There are more than enough forgotten kebab shop restaurant pages that are now serving malware because they never updated WordPress that an out of date certificate warning is a very good "heads up, this site hasn't been maintained in 6 years"

If we're talking hosting even a static HTML file without using a site hosting company, that already requires so much technical knowledge (Domain purchasing, DNS, purchasing a static IP from your ISP, server software which again requires vuln updates) that said person will be able to update a TLS cert without any issue.

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2. account42 ◴[] No.42192833[source]
> There are more than enough forgotten kebab shop restaurant pages that are now serving malware

[citation needed]

There are plenty of organizations that actively scan the web for "malware" (aka anything that the almighty machine learning algorithms don't like) and are more than happy to harass the website owner and hosting company until their demands are met.

Security is ultimately a social issue. Technical means are only one way to improve it and can never solve it 100%. You must never loose sight of the cost imposed by tecnological security solutions versus what improvement they actually offer.