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acyou ◴[] No.42185920[source]
The paper looks like it has a large sample size, but it actually has a sample size of only 48 testers/flippers. Some of the videos of those testers show very low, low-rpm coin tosses, we're talking only 1-2 flips. Where they also flipped thousands of times, presumably in the same way. So there is actually a very small sample size in the study (N = 48), where testers that don't flip properly (low rpm, low height, few coin rotations) can affect the results disproportionately.

Doesn't look like the study author backgrounds are particularly focused on statistics. I would presume with 48 authors (all but 3 of which flipped coins for the study), the role of some might have been more test subject than author. And isn't being the subject in your own study going to introduce some bias? Surely if you're trying to prove to yourself that the coins land on one side or another given some factor, you will learn the technique to do it, especially if you are doing a low-rpm, low flip. Based on the study results, some of the flippers appear to have learned this quite well.

If the flippers (authors) had been convinced of the opposite (fair coins tend to land on the opposite side from which they started) and done the same study, I bet they could have collected data and written a paper with the results proving that outcome.

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1. KwisatzHaderack ◴[] No.42186224[source]
> only 48 testers/flippers

I assumed they did these coin flips were done using a machine. But I guess they wanted to test if human flippers because they wanted to make claims about the human coin flip phenomenon.

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2. kybernetikos ◴[] No.42186415[source]
But if you get someone to flip a coin thousands of times for a boring reason, I would lose confidence that they are flipping in the same way a normal human would.
3. halgir ◴[] No.42187418[source]
If you programmed a machine to flip a coin in the same exact way every time, would you not expect the coin to land the same way every single time? If you program some randomness into the machine to simulate human flipping, then you'd simply move scrutiny from the coin to the machine's programming.

I think the result could be better described as "humans tend to flip fair coins to land on the side they started".

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4. saagarjha ◴[] No.42189700[source]
One would expect chaos effects to come into play.
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5. oefnak ◴[] No.42191282{3}[source]
One might, but that would be wrong.