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    Scientific American's departing editor and the politicization of science

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    473 points Bostonian | 17 comments | 18 Nov 24 22:04 UTC | HN request time: 0.841s | source | bottom
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    tlogan ◴[19 Nov 24 13:33 UTC] No.42183230[source]▶
    The issue isn’t that Scientific American leans “pro-Democrat” and it is political. It always has, and that’s understandable.

    The real problem is that the modern Democratic Party increasingly aligns with postmodernism, which is inherently anti-science (Postmodernism challenges the objectivity and universality of scientific knowledge, framing it as a social construct shaped by culture, power, and historical context, rather than an evidence-based pursuit of truth).

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    1. felixgallo ◴[19 Nov 24 13:42 UTC] No.42183318[source]▶
    What in the holy hell are you talking about? Are you really saying But it’s the Democrats that reject science and reason?
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    2. smaudet ◴[19 Nov 24 13:47 UTC] No.42183367[source]▶
    Filter bubbles are real. If you spend your time watching (low quality) videos with a bent (anti-feminist/transgender, e.g.) you begin to believe that is the majority discourse.

    Its similar to homophobia - a small (tiny) portion of the population expresses "nominal" preference towards homosexuality, however, there is an outsized fear among those who feel threatened by the concept...

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    3. Philorandroid ◴[19 Nov 24 13:51 UTC] No.42183414[source]▶
    Unequivocally. Remember that the parties aren't diametric opposites, and are capable of evading reality simultaneously.
    4. tlogan ◴[19 Nov 24 13:54 UTC] No.42183433[source]▶
    Yes, a portion of Democratic Party leadership has appeared to move away from science and reason in some cases.

    One example that frustrated me as a taxpayer and parent with kids in school: here in California, it was Democratic policymakers who removed Algebra from high school curricula, arguing that it would help address disparities among minority students.

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    5. PathOfEclipse ◴[19 Nov 24 14:07 UTC] No.42183574[source]▶
    https://freedompact.co.uk/podcast/128-dr-gad-saad-the-war-on...

    "Professor Saad’s latest book The Parasitic Mind: how infectious ideas are killing common sense takes a wonderful look at some of the ideas which are so prominent in society today. We discuss the granddaddy of ‘idea pathogens’ as Gad calls it Postmodernism, we discuss the fear of biology, ..., the war on science, truth and reason that we all have a stake in and much, much more."

    6. UncleMeat ◴[19 Nov 24 14:08 UTC] No.42183587[source]▶
    This is a pedagogy and social policy decision, not a scientific one. You can disagree with it, but it isn't like we have scientific research that incontrovertibly provides education policy recommendations to address social disparities.

    Changing math curricula isn't denying math and reason itself.

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    7. felixgallo ◴[19 Nov 24 14:26 UTC] No.42183770[source]▶
    There is definitely a small Faction of left wingers with unusual ideas. Generalizing that To a broader conclusion about democrats is wild.
    8. blackguardx ◴[19 Nov 24 14:27 UTC] No.42183777[source]▶
    I don’t think high school math is on the Democratic party platform in California. In any case, no one was advocating cutting out Algebra. The debate was about moving Algebra I from middle school to High School and removing Calculus from High School. I think delaying Algebra for all students is probably a bad idea. Removing Calculus from high school only makes sense if they replace it with something like Statistics.
    9. jellicle ◴[19 Nov 24 14:40 UTC] No.42183918[source]▶
    The California school curriculum includes and has always included algebra.
    10. thrance ◴[19 Nov 24 14:48 UTC] No.42183998[source]▶
    Don't worry, you won't have to worry about what they teach your children in school anymore - Republicans are going to destroy the department of education.
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    11. dekhn ◴[19 Nov 24 15:58 UTC] No.42184882[source]▶
    A subset of the progressive wing stretches science to meet its ideology. One of the opeds in SciAm is a good example of that. Centrists (both liberal and conservative) tend to be a bit more grounded in direct reality.
    12. NeutralCrane ◴[19 Nov 24 15:58 UTC] No.42184889{3}[source]▶
    How about insisting that puberty blockers are an effective treatment for gender dysphoria despite international reviews that fail to show a benefit? [0] And despite virtually every other first world nation no longer recommending the treatment? And refusing to publish NIH funded studies on puberty blockers when they fail to show they effectiveness you thought they would? Does that count as denying science and reason?

    [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/health/hilary-cass-transg...

    [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/science/puberty-blockers-...

    13. exoverito ◴[19 Nov 24 16:47 UTC] No.42185447{3}[source]▶
    Can you tell me what the Department of Education has measurably accomplished since its establishment in 1979? Inflation adjusted spending per student has increased by about 3X since then, and test scores have not improved, even falling in recent years. Financial aid for college has perversely led to vastly overinflated tuitions, while subsidizing many useless degrees.

    These problems are not a simple matter of funding. One need only at California's High Speed Rail project. Costs have soared from early estimates of $15B to now more than $130B+, despite almost no track being laid over the last 15 years. This is in a one party state with complete Democrat control, so you can't blame Republicans.

    Bureaucratic mismanagement and inefficiency are the overwhelming problems now.

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    14. kenjackson ◴[19 Nov 24 18:24 UTC] No.42186592[source]▶
    Can you point me to the high school where Algebra was removed? I know they were doing work on when to introduce Algebra I, but I've never seen any mention of the class being fully removed from a high school.
    15. thrance ◴[19 Nov 24 18:42 UTC] No.42186762{4}[source]▶
    I'm not even American, but if you think you can simply cut a budget to solve your problems, you're delusional. Americans are on average much more educated and skilled (in the labor market) than in 1979, obviously.

    In my country, most colleges are state owned and free, I had an engineering degree for €600 per year. Skyrocketing tuitions in America is purely a result of profiteering, largely enabled by the republicans and not kept in check by the weak democrats.

    But if you still think gutting your public services will improve anything, just look at what austerity did to the UK.

    16. 331c8c71 ◴[19 Nov 24 19:55 UTC] No.42187424[source]▶
    Well your argument holds all the same should you replace "anti-" with "pro-" etc.
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    17. smaudet ◴[20 Nov 24 02:45 UTC] No.42190398{3}[source]▶
    As it should. Those were examples, point was repeated exposure to something doesn't make it more true, just makes you more brainwashed.