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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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580 points mooreds | 3 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 1.243s | source
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leshokunin ◴[18 Nov 24 20:06 UTC] No.42176328[source]▶
The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with.

We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[18 Nov 24 21:00 UTC] No.42176978[source]▶
> We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation

If only there were someone applying pressure to Russia we could have fight for us!

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PKop ◴[18 Nov 24 21:12 UTC] No.42177095[source]▶
So sacrifice more Ukrainian men for the meat grinder? What has that accomplished so far?
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JumpCrisscross ◴[18 Nov 24 21:16 UTC] No.42177135[source]▶
> sacrifice more Ukrainian men for the meat grinder?

To the extent there's a meat grinder, it's of Russians [1].

> What has that accomplished so far?

Russia's disqualifying itself as a conventional military threat for at least a generation. It's not yet there yet, largely because Ukraine has been unable to target its war marchine. But the startling inefficacy of its army and technology has been made clear. Moreover, the front line has been maintained in Ukraine: that keeps them further from NATO and thus American and European boys at home.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain...

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aguaviva ◴[18 Nov 24 21:23 UTC] No.42177213[source]▶
To the extent there's a meat grinder, it's of Russians.

That seems unfair. It's more of a meat grinder for the aggressor, but it's also one for the Ukrainians, by all indications.

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1. aguaviva ◴[18 Nov 24 23:10 UTC] No.42178179[source]▶
It has already been acknowledged that the rates are "lopsided", i.e. that Russian loss rates are higher than Ukrainian loss rates.

But none of what you're saying means that Ukraine isn't also suffering from a very high loss rate.

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2. chgs ◴[19 Nov 24 06:45 UTC] No.42180635{3}[source]▶
Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died, maybe hunderds of thousands.
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3. aguaviva ◴[19 Nov 24 10:03 UTC] No.42181753{4}[source]▶
Not "hundreds of thousands". That's just pure anxiety.

Reliable estimate ranges are out there. They're easy to find. If you want to, you can find them.

They're all below 100k.