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leshokunin ◴[] No.42176328[source]
The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with.

We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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armchairhacker ◴[] No.42177307[source]
IMO the right action is to counterattack with equal force, ideally in the same way. So cut one of their undersea cabals, fly jets near or over their airspace, etc.

That way, there's a clear line for what NATO will and won't do that Russia can understand. If attacks escalate it will be Russia that escalated every time. If Russia feels it's threatened, all they have to do is stop the attacks and NATO will stop. If Russia is going to nuclear warfare over not being able to unevenly harass NATO, because we can't read Putin and the oligarchs' minds, and what objective measure would allow that but not allow Russia to go nuclear warfare over not enslaving all of NATO, or claiming they can/others can't do everything not written unambiguously in a treaty (which would extend to new technologies like partitioning the solar system that we couldn't have thought ahead-of-time)?

But I'm no diplomat, so maybe I'm wrong and my idea would be catastrophic.

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fuoqi ◴[] No.42177383[source]
>fly jets near

It's regularly done by both sides. And not only with jets, but also with nuclear-capable strategic bombers.

>over their airspace

Shooting it down will be a no-brainer for Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident

>If attacks escalate it will be Russia that escalated every time.

So sending jets into their airspace is not an escalation, but shooting down the plain is? Yeap, you are not a diplomat.

Should I remind you how US reacted to the Soviet military presence in Cuba? On the US scale Ukraine is somewhere between Mexico and Texas in importance for Russia from the military point of view.

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armchairhacker ◴[] No.42177467[source]
I don't know whether Russia is flying jets over NATO airspace. If they're not then NATO shouldn't be flying them over Russia.

In my idea it would be essential to confirm Russia is responsible for anything before the even counterattack. If there's an attack NATO can't confirm, the only thing they would do is defend and monitor more closely in case Russia tries the same attack in the future. Only the things that the Russian government definitely does to NATO, NATO would do to them.

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fuoqi ◴[] No.42177726{3}[source]
So according to this principle, Russia can send military aid to the Syrian government to strike the US military bases on its territory and the US should not be able to retaliate?
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1. s1artibartfast ◴[] No.42177939{4}[source]
Or station nukes in Venezuela