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leshokunin ◴[] No.42176328[source]
The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with.

We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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petre ◴[] No.42176846[source]
Best course of action at this time would be to properly arm Ukraine.
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CapricornNoble ◴[] No.42177311[source]
What exactly would "properly" arming Ukraine look like? The entire Western world doesn't produce enough Patriot missiles to meet Ukraine's air defense needs, just as one critical example. We are aiming for a global production target of 750 missiles/year ( https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15354795 ).... Russia has fired about 6,000 missiles and large drones per year ( https://kyivindependent.com/defense-ministry-over-2-000-russ... ).

You can send Ukraine all of the F-16s in the world, it won't matter if there aren't enough Ukrainian pilots with the linguistic skills to get them through the Western training pipelines.

The reality is that the West can't make the math work at a level of commitment/investment that it is willing to accept. To say nothing of the steadily-worsening problem of "lack of living, breathing Ukrainian men willing to do the fighting in the first place"...

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1. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42177339[source]
> What exactly would "properly" arming Ukraine look like?

More long-range offensive weapons and clearance to hit sites in Russia. Let Israel know that we wouldn't mind them taking out the Iranian drone factories supplying Russia.

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2. jonplackett ◴[] No.42177875[source]
Even the pentagons own assessments say this won’t make much difference.
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3. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42178294[source]
> Even the pentagons own assessments say this won’t make much difference

I mean yes, it’s also what the press secretary has been saying. They’ve been wrong at every step to date because Biden has been wrong about this.

4. pretzel32 ◴[] No.42180044[source]
It must be nice starting yet another world conflict from the comfort of a leather chair, in a bank in New York...

"Go on my little goyim, go spill your blood so we can invest in a free Ukraine!"

5. fractallyte ◴[] No.42180895[source]
The Pentagon made a number of flawed assessments, each one upended by Ukraine's determined actions.

And let's use some Feynman-style common sense: taking out airfields, ammunition depots, and logistics WILL help Ukraine's defense immensely.

I would go further and question which clowns are running the show in the Pentagon, but maybe I should keep my cool over that matter.

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6. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42181447{3}[source]
> would go further and question which clowns are running the show in the Pentagon, but maybe I should keep my cool over that matter

They’re not incompetent. But they do serve at the pleasure of the President. That makes their public communications political.