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anon291 ◴[] No.42174879[source]
Can we all agree that these models far surpass human intelligence now? I mean they process hours worth of audio in less time than it would take a human to even listen. I think the singularity passed and we didn't even notice (which would be expected)
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Spartan-S63 ◴[] No.42174949[source]
No, I can't agree that these models surpass human intelligence. Sure, they're good at probabilistic recall, but they aren't reasoning and they aren't synthesizing anything novel.
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anon291 ◴[] No.42175058[source]
> they aren't synthesizing anything novel.

ChatGPT has synthesized my past three vacations and regularly plans my family's meals based on whatever is in my fridge. I completely disagree.

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1. rootusrootus ◴[] No.42175127[source]
Seems more likely that your vacations and fridge contents aren't as novel as you hope.
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2. anon291 ◴[] No.42175175[source]
This is a low-effort comment. I cook a lot for my family and community and things get boring after a while. After using ChatGPT, my wife has really enjoyed the new dishes, and I've gotten excellent feedback at potlucks. Yes, the base idea of the dish (roast, rice dish, noodles, etc) are old, but the things it'll put inside and give you the right instructions for cooking are new. And that's what creativity is, right? Although, I have also asked it to give ideas for avant-garde cuisine and it has good ideas, but I have no skills to make those dishes
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3. rootusrootus ◴[] No.42175319[source]
> This is a low-effort comment

Not any worse than this sentence. Counter it with a higher value comment.

You are a single person and LLMs have been trained on the output of billions. Any given choice you make can be predicted with extraordinary probability by looking at your inputs and environment and guessing that you will do what most other people do in that situation.

This is pretty basic stuff, yes? Especially on HN? Great ideas are a dime a dozen, and every successful startup was built on an idea that certainly wasn't novel, but was executed well.

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4. anon291 ◴[] No.42175400{3}[source]
My higher value comment was a list of things for which ChatGPT, a widely available product, will produce novel ideas. Responding that those ideas are not novel enough based on absolutely no data is a low-effort comment. What evidence of creativity would you accept?
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5. grugagag ◴[] No.42179532{4}[source]
Hey, ChatGPT can’t taste and is not trained on any taste data. Whatever it comes up with is interpreted by you or your wife into some delicious dishes I hope. But it’s you/her who is being creative with a text suggestion.

Cookbooks on the other hand are the result of people comimg up with recipes for foods which they obviously taste and like. LLMs ingested all this data from cookbooks, but whatever is mixed up into new ideas are just lucky shuffles, it can’t be any other way cause remember, an LLM cannot taste ingredients or final dishes. I think you’re projecting into them more than what they are.

6. whtsthmttrmn ◴[] No.42187114[source]
> but the things it'll put inside and give you the right instructions for cooking are new

And you know this for certain, how? So because it can suggest a few weird dishes it has a higher intelligence than most humans? Someone call Better Housekeeping.