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anon291 ◴[] No.42174879[source]
Can we all agree that these models far surpass human intelligence now? I mean they process hours worth of audio in less time than it would take a human to even listen. I think the singularity passed and we didn't even notice (which would be expected)
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1. simion314 ◴[] No.42175095[source]
So what? I can write a script that can do iun a minute some job you won't do in a 1000 years.

Singularity means something very specific, if your AI can build a smarter AI then itself by itself, and that AI can also build a new smarter AI then you have singularity.

You do not have singularity if an LLM can solve more math problems then the average Joe, or if ti can answer more trivia questions then a random person, even if you have an AI better then all humans combined at Tic Tac Toe you still do not have a singularity, IT MUST build a smarter AI then itself and then iterate on that.

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2. anon291 ◴[] No.42175461[source]
> Singularity means something very specific, if your AI can build a smarter AI then itself by itself, and that AI can also build a new smarter AI then you have singularity.

When I was at Cerebras, I fed in a description of the custom ISA into our own model and asked it to generate kernels (my job), and it was surprisingly good

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3. simion314 ◴[] No.42175989[source]
>When I was at Cerebras, I fed in a description of the custom ISA into our own model and asked it to generate kernels (my job), and it was surprisingly good

And? Was it actually better then say the top 3 people in this field would create if they would work on it ? Because this models are better at css then me, so what? I am bad at css, but all the top models could not solve a math limit from my son homework so we had to use good old forums to have people give us some hints. But for sure models can solve more math limits then the average person who probably can't solve a single one.

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4. anon291 ◴[] No.42176036{3}[source]
No not better than the top 3.

> But for sure models can solve more math limits then the average person who probably can't solve a single one.

Some people are domain experts. The pretrained GPTs are certainly not (nor are they trained to be).

Some people are polymaths but not domain experts. This is still impressive, and where the GPTs fall.

The final conclusion I have is this: These models demonstrate above average understanding in a plethora of widely disparate fields. I can discuss mathematics, computation, programming languages, etc with them and they come across as knowledgeable and insightful to me, and this is my field. Then, I can discuss with them things I know nothing about, such as foreign languages, literature, plant diseases, recipes, vacation destinations, etc, and they're still good at that. If I met a person with as much knowledge and ability to engage as the model, I would think that person to be of very high intelligence.

It doesn't bother me that it's not the best at anything. It's good enough at most things. Yes, its results are not always perfect. Its code doesn't work on the first try, and it sometimes gets confused. But many polymaths do too at a certain level. We don't tell them they're stupid because of it.

My old physics professor was very smart in physics but also a great pianist. But he probably cannot play as well as Chopin. Does that make him an idiot? Of course not. He's still above average in piano too! And that makes him more of a genius than if he were just a great scientist.

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5. simion314 ◴[] No.42176609{4}[source]
agree, there are usages for LLMs

My point was about Singularity, what i t means and why LLMs are not there.

So you missed my point? Was I not clear enough what I was talking about?

6. xtreme ◴[] No.42177168{3}[source]
This actually tells you why AI doesn't have to be better than all human experts, just the ones you can afford to get together.
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7. simion314 ◴[] No.42182679{4}[source]
>This actually tells you why AI doesn't have to be better than all human experts, just the ones you can afford to get together.

And I agree, and a script might do a better job on some taks and you will not claim my script has reached singularity, right ?