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doug_durham ◴[] No.42173160[source]
With all due respect to the considerable thought and effort you put into this, the ergonomics of this approach are hideous. Why would I ever care about the styling elements when I'm just trying to do some exploratory data analysis. This is exactly why things like Jupyter notebooks excel. Regardless kudos to your curiosity and implementing alternate ideas.
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1. mbo ◴[] No.42173662[source]
Author: The ergonomics of this _are_ hideous, to my dismay, which was a lot of the motivation behind @celine/celine (https://maxbo.me/celine, aka me packaging the article up into a library).

It's still not quite there as a platform for exploratory data analysis - you don't have the instant reactivity of either a fully-fledged web code editor from Observable Notebooks or the hot-reloading file-watching Observable Framework. And the new Jupyter Kernel for Deno + VSCode is a pretty smooth experience too.

So while I agree that the ergonomics for exploratory analysis is uhhhh bad, I don't think the _publishing_ ergonomics is that bad. In fact, they're good. It's just a single file! I don't need to maintain some massive toolchain or pay some 3rd party service to just send someone a graph and some data munging - I just lob a HTML file at someone over Slack or host it somewhere. And the flexibility to style the analysis means that you can publish in environments where styling is important (blogs, or as a research paper).

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2. clcaev ◴[] No.42174556[source]
Pluto has a way to publish as HTML, even with some interactivity, via SliderServer. How is this different?
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3. mbo ◴[] No.42174725[source]
Well the edited artifact and the published artifact are one and the same. I think there's value in a "buildstepless" notebook format.

Thanks for the heads up about SliderServer btw, was experimenting with something similar with Jupyter: https://hello-notebook-http-mode.fly.dev/

4. cpill ◴[] No.42176038[source]
yeah, but all the data analysis libs are in python.