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Rastonbury ◴[] No.42172733[source]
Some captchas are getting pretty discriminatory, not everyone lives in the West and can identify the objects they are asking you to. Another recent one sticks out where they asked me to pick a shape as the same number of conoids on screen. If you ask people on a street what a conoids I bet a significant amount will give you blank looks

Also at least now I know some people call those markings crosswalks

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1. ta1243 ◴[] No.42172860[source]
Sorry I live in the west, what's a "crosswalk"

Did you mean to say

> not everyone lives in the USA

Other things I don't have a clue about - a fire hydrant, yellow taxis, yellow buses

(Obviously I do, because of American cultural imperialism through things like Captchas which mean the world has to understand American cultural touchstones)

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2. slater ◴[] No.42173060[source]
Please enter your five-digit ZIP code
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4. bux93 ◴[] No.42173099[source]
90210

(Cue theme music in mind's ear)

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5. dkdbejwi383 ◴[] No.42173183[source]
Mandatory "state" field on forms - if it allows any string I usually enter "mostly liquid"
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7. Symbiote ◴[] No.42173203[source]
In many countries fire hydrants are underground, under an iron or concrete cover. There's very little to see on the street.

There might or might not be a sign marking the location.

Sweden: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fire_hydrants_in...

UK: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fire_hydrants_in...

It's also not necessarily relevant to worry about blocking one when parking a car.

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8. croisillon ◴[] No.42173275[source]
did you know that the ZIP code for both Paris Texas and Paris France start with 75xxx
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9. Symbiote ◴[] No.42173308[source]
Maybe the standard international signs are more easily recognised by machines anyway, but if not it will be interesting when Google and others start needing Captcha help.

Americans will need to learn what speed limit, parking prohibition and pedestrian crossing signs look like in the rest of the world, as well as realizing buses and taxis come in more colours.

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10. jstanley ◴[] No.42173581[source]
You don't think you could identify yellow buses without cultural knowledge?

I think simply knowing "yellow" and "buses" would suffice.

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11. RobMurray ◴[] No.42173626[source]
And audio Captchas are in English. I suppose blind people who don't speak English or have any kind of hearing difficulty don't deserve accessibility.
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12. smitelli ◴[] No.42173694[source]
I distinctly remember a captcha which asked me to identify fire hydrants. Some of the pictures were hydrants, while others were standpipes. These are different things, and I answered accordingly.

The service refused to acknowledge my humanity until I relented that a standpipe was a hydrant. If at some future date any of us burn to death due to an automated fire truck that misbehaved due to this, we’ll know why.

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13. mapt ◴[] No.42173704[source]
Unfortunately, even understanding these things, on a shared connection it might take you literally two or three minutes of captcha work before Google recognizes your personhood.

Am I identifying the boxes wrong? Am I doing it too fast? Where do "Stairs" begin and end? Does a motorcycle include its rider? Or is Google just fucking with me and failing me on purpose?

My workplace had a period this year where captcha was put into the cashier checkout process.

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14. dkdbejwi383 ◴[] No.42173729[source]
It's hard to really say objectively, as the strange yellow American school bus is kind of an iconic image - perhaps because it looks so different to a regular public transport bus as seen around the rest of the world.
15. itishappy ◴[] No.42173765[source]
Does DHL delivery via yellow busses?
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16. danaris ◴[] No.42174125[source]
And while it's not quite the same kind of CAPTCHA, I've not infrequently run into Cloudflare "prove you're human" screens that just...never let me through. I click the box, it loads for a second, turns into a nice checkmark, and then...reloads the "prove you're human" page. Infinite loop (as far as I can tell, anyway, not having infinite time).
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17. alwayslikethis ◴[] No.42174309{3}[source]
Firefox RFP? That sometimes does it
18. KETHERCORTEX ◴[] No.42174486{3}[source]
Well, France doesn't have Zone Improvement Plan codes. It is somewhat annoying to fill forms on websites with "ZIP code" in them for people outside US. They aren't called this way anywhere else (except for one or two countries).
19. wccrawford ◴[] No.42174543{3}[source]
Does anyone deliver anything except people via "busses"?
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20. ta1243 ◴[] No.42174772{4}[source]
Well yes, how else do you get the mail?
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21. ta1243 ◴[] No.42174784[source]
Which you can then compress into a postcode file

#internationalisation

https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualUK/comments/12cwylk/microsoft...

22. Toorkit ◴[] No.42175154{5}[source]
Those are called Vans.
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23. seanhunter ◴[] No.42175159[source]
Yup - I recognize this problem. I am a motorcyclist and I frequently have to grit my teeth and misidentify scooters as motorcycles if I want to get past captcha.

For non-bikers, a scooter has an automated gearbox and small wheels etc. Think vespa.

In the UK at least they are generally a different category of license, although that's because of the size of a standard scooter engine.

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24. wing-_-nuts ◴[] No.42175311{3}[source]
I forget what extension was doing this for me, but I think this was down to an extension blocking autoload/play. Try disabling your extensions down to ublock and slowly adding them back.
25. OptionOfT ◴[] No.42175356{3}[source]
For me it is "constant despair".
26. jeltz ◴[] No.42175377[source]
Fire hydrants in my country are virtually always in the ground covered by a steel lid. The only reason I know the answer is American popular culture.

https://fev.se/images/18.7ea68079182e95d391364a41/1663668627...

27. jachee ◴[] No.42175710{3}[source]
It's a squares/rectangles issue.

Scooters are cycles that have motors, and are thus motorcycles in the most-inclusive definition of such.

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28. arcanemachiner ◴[] No.42175800{3}[source]
My rationale is that they're teaching cars what things they shouldn't drive into, so I'm pretty liberal with what constitutes a motorcycle, including the person on top.
29. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.42175839{4}[source]
FWIW, I went out looking for a better category (something more like "two-wheeler" but without the engine), and discovered that Wikipedia actually agrees that scooters are motorcycles.
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30. lostlogin ◴[] No.42176011{4}[source]
Despite the name, you can’t deliver people over the Universal Serial Bus.
31. TeMPOraL ◴[] No.42176069{6}[source]
In the US.

And then there's "shuttle", I believe the US has at least one kind of thing called "shuttle" for every possible mode of transport, including orbital flight.

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32. bredren ◴[] No.42176668{5}[source]
Scooters are arguably more like traditional motorcycles than ebikes.

Reminds me of this scene from Police Academy 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cil6HFXlccw

33. itishappy ◴[] No.42176816{6}[source]
Oh, vans! Of course, who could mistake those?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_van

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_utility_van

34. alex7o ◴[] No.42177012[source]
SE1 9QN is my postcode what 5 number?
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35. reaperducer ◴[] No.42177294[source]
Other things I don't have a clue about - a fire hydrant

Even within the United States, fire hydrants vary greatly from city to city.

I remember the first time I moved to a city that had those little squatty dark blue ones. I thought they were water main access points.

It's interesting to see so many people on HN assessing that captchas are biased toward American culture. Very frequently I get captchas that include things I don't know, and when I look them up, they turn out to be Indian in origin.

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36. thebruce87m ◴[] No.42177305{3}[source]
That’s my zip code too, along with millions of others who live outside the US. Haven’t needed to use it for a while.
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37. reaperducer ◴[] No.42177325[source]
Americans will need to learn what speed limit, parking prohibition and pedestrian crossing signs look like in the rest of the world

If you think this is a binary America/Rest of the World problem, then you haven't visited very much of the "rest of the world" and noticed that every place is full of variations.

38. gsk22 ◴[] No.42177384{3}[source]
Except scooters are literally motorcycles? From Wikipedia:

> A scooter (motor scooter) is a motorcycle with an underbone or step-through frame, ....

Scooters are often legally motorcycles as well. For example, I had to get a motorcycle endorsement on my license for a scooter I owned, because the engine displacement was too large for the extremely restrictive "moped" category in my state.

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39. andrewflnr ◴[] No.42177762{4}[source]
They're not really considered as such by motorcycle people, for decent reasons too. Scooters generally have rather different ergonomics and controls, notably CVTs rather than manual transmissions for "proper" motorcycles. Overall a pretty different experience to ride. There's not really a good umbrella term, either, though.
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40. pbhjpbhj ◴[] No.42177960[source]
Is a coach a bus? Honestly, I'm not sure what makes them different, if you pressed me I think I'd say a coach has luggage compartments underneath. A UK coach is not a bus... although Megabus run mostly coaches, and Stagecoach run mostly buses.

Is a scooter a motorcycle, what about a pedal-and-pop, an ebike? Is the backbox (rear carrier) part of the motorcycle?

Is a single light at a junction, ahem intersection, a traffic light? Is the outer-container part of the "light"? What about the lights for pedestrians, are they part of the traffic light?

Are house steps, that don't carry you to a different storey, still stairs? Is a single step also stairs?

Are fire hydrants always red?

So, yeah, usually I just leave the website and come back to HN.

41. pbhjpbhj ◴[] No.42178004{4}[source]
Don't they have postbuses in some countries that do all types of delivery including people and mail, alpenhorns and cheese and that kinda thing??
42. pbhjpbhj ◴[] No.42178045{3}[source]
Most UK hydrants are at junctions where its already illegal to park... come to think of it, I think USA ones are maybe mostly at junctions (in the media I've seen)? Are you allowed to park at junctions in USA?
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43. slater ◴[] No.42178419{3}[source]
wooosh
44. esperent ◴[] No.42179000{5}[source]
I live in Vietnam where the entire population drives small motorbikes or scooters. There's no defining feature except for having a cutaway to place your feet in a scooter. Even the engine placement is less of a clear thing now that many of them are electric.

There's motorbikes with scooter like controls, there's scooters with motorbike like controls. Many small automatic motorbikes feel basically identical to driving a scooter except that your sitting position is very slightly different.

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45. jacoblambda ◴[] No.42179066{7}[source]
Well technically anything can be a shuttle because specifically the thing that makes it a shuttle is the operating pattern (repeated point to point service) rather than the machine itself.

Etymology-wise a shuttle was a type of weaving tool which is why the verb shuttle exists, i.e. to rapidly move back and forth across a length (as if you were weaving a thread into a piece of fabric).

So then you got shuttle trains which frequently ran back and forth. And from there other types of shuttle services (shuttle buses, shuttle vans, etc).

And of course eventually the space shuttle being intended to be a launch vehicle designed for shuttle service to and from orbit. (side note but technically if the SpaceX Starship actually achieves it's intended sub-24h turn around it'd be able to qualify as a shuttle provided it ran a fixed point to point route on a regular basis).

46. andrewflnr ◴[] No.42179240{6}[source]
Presumably an American motorcycle purist's brain would simply explode in such an environment. :)
47. webspinner ◴[] No.42179332[source]
Can you have them translated into your native language? I mean I imagine if your using Google from a different country, it might take notice. Maybe it doesn't apply to reCAPTCHA, Google can be stupid like that!
48. umanwizard ◴[] No.42179994{4}[source]
Similarly, on websites that require a British address I use “10 Downing Street” (the only one I know!)
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49. umanwizard ◴[] No.42180016{4}[source]
> Are you allowed to park at junctions in USA?

US driving laws vary quite widely depending on the state (and sometimes depending on the city within the state). So there’s probably no uniform answer. But parking at an intersection is indeed allowed in a lot of places within the US, in my experience.

50. gattilorenz ◴[] No.42180628{3}[source]
Classic Vespa does not have an automatic gearbox. Last one without it was probably a PX model in the early 2000s, though.
51. seanhunter ◴[] No.42180720{4}[source]
Of course as a scooter rider you say its a motorcycle. That wiki entry was probably written by a scooter rider also. ;-)

I actually feel a fellowship with all two-wheel riders but don't let any other bikers know or I'll be shunned.

52. genewitch ◴[] No.42180879{5}[source]
221 baker
53. genewitch ◴[] No.42180889[source]
yeah, where are all these mopeds "in the US" i can't even remember the last time i saw someone on a moped... 15 years ago in L.A.?
54. Ekaros ◴[] No.42181060{4}[source]
And electric bicycle is in sense also motorcycle...
55. Ekaros ◴[] No.42181147{4}[source]
Well the local long distance bus "consortium" did move at least part of parcels via busses here.
56. astroid ◴[] No.42184875[source]
This can't be right, I have been told over and over again that America does not have any culture.

Now it's being used to push imperialism through captchas of all things?!

I feel like all the non-US or non-Western or however you want to categorize the 'rest of the world' should be striving to use free-range local culturally-appropriate captcha services if this is true.

It's easy to blame the colonizers, but what about the local artisanal websites who give the colonizers/invaders a voice by integrating their captcha services?

We really need an 'international-divorce' to put these issues to bed once and for all.

57. gsk22 ◴[] No.42191106{5}[source]
The "decent reasons" just sounds like snobbery or a reason to feel superior. Cars are cars, whether manual, automatic, CVT, whatever. Why should bikes be any different?

I'm a big fan of two-wheeled transport in all its forms, but wow is there a prevailing toxic attitude among a large group of "true motorcycle" riders. Instead of welcoming people into the fold, it's just tribalism -- you drive a scooter, you're not a true biker; you ride a cruiser, true bikers only drive super sports; you drive an e-bike, but only loud pipes make a true rider!

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58. andrewflnr ◴[] No.42196240{6}[source]
Agree about the snobbery, but there is a real difference in kind between them that would be nice to have a good name for. Even if, as the other reply pointed out, they exist on a spectrum, the endpoints are pretty distinct.