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How Japanese black companies oppress workers (2014)

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178 points rawgabbit | 2 comments | 18 Nov 24 04:02 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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Daz1 ◴[18 Nov 24 06:16 UTC] No.42170181[source]▶
this is mostly fantastical nonsense. I go home at 6pm everyday. go outside at 6pm and you will see businesspeople everywhere also on the commute home.

also it is nearly impossible to fire anyone in Japan for anything

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goykasi ◴[18 Nov 24 06:58 UTC] No.42170378[source]▶
That is my experience too. In my neighborhood, by 8pm, the streets are crawling with drunk salarymen (and women) stumbling out of izakayas on their way to a snack and/or karaoke -- 5 days per week. They clearly werent working overtime with how often I see them.
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1. bouncycastle ◴[18 Nov 24 08:59 UTC] No.42170852[source]▶
the nomikai is part of the work, where the social status is being reinforced (pouring drinks while deeply bowing to the boss, getting forced to drink, the speeches, the clapping, etc)
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2. goykasi ◴[18 Nov 24 09:19 UTC] No.42170936[source]▶
Im not disputing the fact that nomikai exists. Ive been to my share. I was simply agreeing with the OP that it is more likely that most Japanese people arent working insane amounts of overtime and black companies arent in the majority. I provided a personal anecdote to reinforce that.

Most people are more than likely getting off at regular hours and going home or out for dinner and drinks (whether you consider that work or not -- they arent being paid). Otherwise the bars and trains wouldnt be packed full of people at 6pm and happy hour wouldnt exist.