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gausswho ◴[] No.42164371[source]
With this tool I am wary that I'll encounter system issues that are dramatically more difficult to diagnose and troubleshoot because I'll have drifted from a standard distro configuration. And in ways I'm unaware of. Is this a reasonable hesitation?
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gerdesj ◴[] No.42168400[source]
"because I'll have drifted from a standard distro configuration"

You will obviously have a change management system which describes all the changes you have made to your putative standard distro configs. You will also be monitoring those changes.

This tool logs all the changes it makes via the standard logging system, which can be easily captured, shipped and aggregated and then queried and reported on.

This is not a tool from Clown Cars R US, it's from a reasonably reputable source - Oracle (lol etc). Even better, you can read the code and learn or critique.

Not being funny but I'd rather this sort of thing by far than any amount of wooo handwavy wankery. Would you prefer openly described and documented or "take our word for it"?

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cortesoft ◴[] No.42168447[source]
> You will obviously have a change management system which describes all the changes you have made to your putative standard distro configs. You will also be monitoring those changes.

Which is now a list you will have to check for every issue. I don't think they are complaining they don't trust the writers of the code, just that it adds confounding variables to your system

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gerdesj ◴[] No.42168508[source]
We (in IT security) are expected to abrogate responsibility to funky AI or whatevs anti virus and other stuff. Buy and install a security package from ... whoever ... and all will be well.

This is an expert system/advice run by real people (at a reasonably well respected firm) not an AI wankery thingie. It is literally expert advice and it is being given away and in code form which you can read.

What on earth is wrong with that?

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1. tw04 ◴[] No.42170490[source]
Well two points: Oracle isn’t really and hasn’t really been respected in several decades.

Oracle exists for one sole purpose, which is to make Larry money. Anything they “give away for free” almost always includes a non-obvious catch which you only discover during some future audit.

In this case it appears to be gpl and thus most likely harmless. But I’d expect either the license to change once people are hooked, or some glaring lack of functionality that’s not immediately obvious, that can only be remediated by purchasing a license of some sort.

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2. efitz ◴[] No.42171582[source]
Anything that Oracle gives away for free today should be assumed will be converted to be monetized as soon as there is sufficient uptake in usage.

Anything that Oracle makes available for community contributions should be assumed will be dramatically restricted via license when Oracle figures out how to monetize it.

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3. ranger_danger ◴[] No.42178647[source]
FOSS can always be forked and progressed from there; see MariaDB.

I think most times when a project from a big company goes closed, the features added afterwards usually only benefit other big companies anyways.

Right now I prefer to be happy they ever bothered at all (to make open source things), rather than prematurely discount it entirely.

Maybe you weren't implying that it should be discounted entirely, but I bet a lot of people were thinking that.