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threeseed ◴[] No.42168350[source]
I suspected this was being managed in the Secure Enclave.

That means it's going to be extremely difficult to disable this even if iOS is fully compromised.

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karlgkk ◴[] No.42168578[source]
If I’m reading this right:

Reboot is not enforced by the SEP, though, only requested. It’s a kernel module, which means if a kernel exploit is found, this could be stopped.

However, considering Apple’s excellent track record on these kind of security measures, I would not at all be surprised to find out that a next generation iPhone would involve the SEP forcing a reboot without the kernels involvement.

what this does is that it reduces the window (to three days) of time between when an iOS device is captured, and a usable* kernel exploit is developed.

* there is almost certainly a known kernel exploit out in the wild, but the agencies that have it generally reserve using them until they really need to - or they’re patched. If you have a captured phone used in a, for example, low stakes insurance fraud case, it’s not at all worth revealing your ownership of a kernel exploit.

Once an exploit is “burned”, they distribute them out to agencies and all affected devices are unlocked at once. This now means that kernel exploits must be deployed within three days, and it’s going to preserve the privacy of a lot of people.

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1. dmitrygr ◴[] No.42168651[source]
> Reboot is not enforced by the SEP, though, only requested

We (the public) do not know if SEP can control nRST of the main cores, but there is no reason to suspect that it cannot.

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2. karlgkk ◴[] No.42169435[source]
We actually do know, it cannot directly*. What it could do is functionally disable RAM, but that would basically cause the phone to hard lock and even cause data corruption in some limited cases.

This is still being actively researched. I have no evidence, but would not be surprised to find out that a SEP update has been pushed that causes it to pull RAM keys after the kernel panic window has closed.

* This may have been changed since the last major writeup came out for the iPhone 11.