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shdh ◴[] No.42167277[source]
The Earth is a complex system.

Warming is one aspect of climate change, but we'll likely see cascading effects in the system.

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For example, as global temperatures rise we are seeing that AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation), and as a result the Gulf Stream, are "slowing down". [1]

This could result in EU cooling down.

The clathrate gun hypothesis suggests that large releases of methane could cause abrupt climate shifts due to methane’s strong greenhouse effect. [2]

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Its likely developing nations and their citizens will increase CO2 usage as they move towards a more western lifestyle.

That means there will be an increasing amount of energy production and usage.

Ideally we generate more with solar and nuclear.

Decreasing energy production and consumption is not a real solution.

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[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

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CalRobert ◴[] No.42167311[source]
"Decreasing energy production and consumption is not a real solution."

Why not?

A 5 passenger vehicle can be 1200kg or 3000kg but both offer almost the same utility. A diet of mostly-plants can be just as delicious as one with a lot of beef. Building a house closer to work can be just as useful as building one a long ways away (more, actually).

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shdh ◴[] No.42167351[source]
You're asking for global human behavior changes. Does that seem realistic?
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1. johnchristopher ◴[] No.42167415[source]
> You're asking for global human behavior changes. Does that seem realistic?

https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco....

    Long term, smoking rates have fallen 73% among adults, from 42.6% in 1965 to 11.6% in 2022.
    Over the last five years, smoking rates have fallen 17% among adults, from 14.0% in 2017.
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2. t0bia_s ◴[] No.42168065[source]
You forget that doctors recommend smoking as safe in tabacco advertising back in 40's.

https://tobacco.stanford.edu/cigarettes/doctors-smoking/more...

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3. johnchristopher ◴[] No.42168601[source]
Could you elaborate on why it's relevant (or missing) ? I can think of different but opposite reasons and I can't tell if your comment is a rebuttal or in support.
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4. t0bia_s ◴[] No.42170940{3}[source]
You replied on global human behavior change. I just added a piece of puzzle that shows, how implying global human behavior changes are driven by lobby.
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5. johnchristopher ◴[] No.42177371{4}[source]
Ah, I see. Yes, there needs to be a strong influence (lobbies, advertising, governments, religion, cultural leaders, etc.).
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6. t0bia_s ◴[] No.42177388{5}[source]
And lies.