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abdullahkhalids ◴[] No.42166327[source]
The last IPCC report estimates that to limit warming to 2C, humans can only emit at most 1150 GtCO2 (at 67% likelihood) [1].

There are 8.2 billion humans, so about 140tCO2/person left on average. If we assume that we get to net zero by 2050, that means the average person can emit about 5.4tCO2/person/year from today to 2050 (hitting 0tCO2/person/year in 2050). This is what emissions look like currently [2]

    Top 5 countries > 10m population
    Saudi Arabia  22.1t 
    United Arab Emirates 21.6t  
    Australia            14.5t 
    United States  14.3t
    Canada          14.0t
    Some others
    China           8.4t
    Europe 6.7t
    World average 4.7t
    Lower-middle-income countries of 1.6t
    Low-income countries 0.3t
Guess what's going to happen and who is going to suffer, despite not doing anything.

[1] Page 82 https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6...

[2] https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics

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Aurornis ◴[] No.42166404[source]
> that means the average person can emit about 5.4tCO2/person/year from here on out. This is what emissions look like currently

Using a world average target number and then presenting a list that leads with world outliers is misleading. This is the kind of statistical sleight of hand that climate skeptics seize upon to dismiss arguments.

The world average is currently under the target number:

> World average 4.7t

I think you meant to imply that the CO2 emissions of poor countries were going to catch up to other countries, but I don’t think it’s that simple. The global rollout of solar power, battery storage, and cheap EVs is exceeding expectations, for example.

I don’t want to downplay the severity of the situation, but I don’t think this type of fatalistic doomerism is helping. In my experience with people from different walks of life, it’s this type of doomerism that turns them off of the topic entirely.

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jfengel ◴[] No.42166512[source]
I believe the causation runs the other way. The IPCC was founded in 1988, when CO2 emissions were 22 gigatons per year. Nearly four decades later it's 40 gt/y, and continuing to rise.

Doomerism is the reaction to our utter failure to even pretend to try. It did not cause that failure. Nor are people looking at the data and going, "yeah, I ought to do something, but people on Hacker News were gloomy so I'm going to buy a bigger SUV instead." EVs and solar and suchlike are much, much, much too little and much, much, much too late.

Doomerism doesn't help, except in the extremely limited sense of helping someone express their frustration. But it also isn't hurting because we'd be doing exactly the same nothing if they were cheerful.

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nojvek ◴[] No.42166665[source]
China is currently at the forefront of deploying renewable energy. They install more Solar than rest of the world combined. They are investing 100s of Billions in manufacturing cheaper solar panels and batteries. China now has >50% new cars sold as EVs.

China sees this as an opportunity and delivering on it. Meanwhile majority of Americans voted for Trump, the sentiment is anti climate change and 'drill baby drill!'.

The cheaper Solar and batteries become, the more they get deployed. Like we solved hole in the Ozone, I'm optimistic we'll transition to a net zero energy future but pessimistic that US may get left behind and it'll be too late for many of the industries to compete with China. We are too short term focused.

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rwyinuse ◴[] No.42166875[source]
With upcoming US government it's starting to feel like the Chinese Communist party isn't all that bad in comparison. At least they aren't actively trying to kill future generations simply to protect big oil profits and to oppose democrats.

I wouldn't be surprised if China overtakes the US completely in science and technology with the way things are going.

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1. lovecg ◴[] No.42167359[source]
Give it time. Centrally commanded dictatorships always seem to hum along right to the point of sudden collapse.
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2. griffzhowl ◴[] No.42168309[source]
Hmm, on the other hand you could argue that China has been a centrally commanded dictatorship in one form or another for over 2000 years
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3. mcphage ◴[] No.42168391[source]
It has also collapsed several times in that span.
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4. griffzhowl ◴[] No.42171271{3}[source]
Yes, but then replaced by another dictatorship
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5. mcphage ◴[] No.42172569{4}[source]
Yep
6. nojvek ◴[] No.42174591[source]
IMO current US leadership isn't too far from a 'centrally commanded dictatorship'.

Yes, China has many problems by their rise is exemplary. Especially in being the world's factory and having such a large export surplus. Their foray into dominating steel, high speed rail, solar panels, batteries, electronics e.t.c

They seem to be making good bets on the future, while US is holding on their bets from the last century.