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pstrateman ◴[] No.42166593[source]
The simple reality is that humanity is unable to reduce greenhouse gas emissions without an alternative that is superior.

For every ton of CO2 that the west has reduced in the past decade China has produced three tons of CO2.[1]

We need another breakthrough on the scale of the Haber process.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?country=OWID_WRL~Hi...

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ClumsyPilot ◴[] No.42166762[source]
> every ton of CO2 that the west has reduced in the past decade China has produced three tons of CO2.

This is a really bad statement.

Reason 3:

This year China installed more renewables than the rest of the world combined [1]. In China, 50% of new cars are electric. Their per/person emissions is much less than USA. Meanwhile, we are putting up tariffs on Chinese EVs, etc.

Instead of blaming them, realise that they are taking climate change seriously and we are not.

Reason 2:

Look at your graph, ‘we’ have like 15% reduction in CO2. You could divide by any growing economy and the result is the same, because we suck at ‘our job’.

Reason 1;

Lastly, we outsourced our emissions by moving production to China and then importing the products. That’s not much of achievement.

[1] https://globalenergymonitor.org/report/china-continues-to-le...

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thegrim33 ◴[] No.42166945[source]
>> Instead of blaming them, realise that they are taking climate change seriously and we are not.

China's annual CO2 emmissions have been exponentially increasing for the last 50 years and are currently nearly three times as high as the US's and continuing to exponentially increase. There has been zero decrease in emissions over the last 50 years, only increase.

The US's annual CO2 emissions have been linearly decreasing every year for the last 20 years and is now a third of China's.

How is your conclusion to this that China is taking it seriously and the US isn't? https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics

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1. locallost ◴[] No.42167090[source]
The data you linked to shows per capita emissions in the US are 70% higher than in China.