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I tried every top email marketing tool

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Sytten ◴[] No.42161882[source]
I didnt find any email marketing platform that made sense pricing wise for a B2C product with a free tier. They all get stupidly expensive even if most of your customers wont read the email and likely won't pay you anything. Same problem as the authentication space that charge per logged-in user.
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pembrook ◴[] No.42163790[source]
Your deliverability is going to be trash in Gmail if you’re keeping a bunch of free users who don’t open your emails on your list.

Email is expensive on purpose to incent customers into following good practices. Otherwise you attract all the worst customers (“let’s email everybody who’s ever interacted with us for a decade, regardless of if they want our emails!”). Then Gmail starts putting all emails sent on the cheap platforms IPs to spam by default.

Based on your practices, it sounds like these pricing models are doing their job of correctly scaring you away.

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1. HWR_14 ◴[] No.42165229[source]
I am questioning this because I don't understand, not because I believe you are wrong. But why would whether the emails are opened or not matter?

Is there a reference for best email practices you recommend?

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2. pembrook ◴[] No.42169244[source]
This is just basic email deliverability 101 stuff.

Gmail's algorithm has really tightened up this year. Open your spam folder right now and you'll probably see more than a few legit businesses in there.

Basically if your engagement (opens, clicks, unsubscribes, complaints, etc as a percentage of total sends) is poor enough, Gmail will dump you in spam by default. They don't just "trust" that you have permission to email the people you're emailing. So many businesses abuse this, and they're incentivized to keep your inbox clean so you keep visiting your inbox (and click those Gmail ads!).

If you're getting low/declining engagement over time the algo just assumes you have poor sending practices, which to be honest, if that's happening, you probably do.

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3. HWR_14 ◴[] No.42169271[source]
It's probably 101 stuff, but I just set up the appropriate records to authenticate the domain and didn't think about it again. It's not a big part of my responsibilities.

So the word deliverability includes making it past spam filters?

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4. pembrook ◴[] No.42169438{3}[source]
Absolutely, yea it’s all about keeping a clean, tight, high engagement list.

Then your domain reputation will be good because Gmail/outlook’s algo will see good numbers coming from your domain. Then the only thing you have to worry about is your IP rep (which comes from the platform you’re using — basically “are you sending from a platform that has high standards for customers and zealously guards their IPs”).

You can spend $thousands on consultants and what they’ll tell you will basically just boil down to that.