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pier25 ◴[] No.42164501[source]
> I like to argue that some of the most productive days of the web were the PHP and JQuery spaghetti days

I've wondered if going back to that paradigm would be more productive or not than using React et al.

Plenty of big sites like Amazon or Steam still are made this way. Not exactly PHP + jQuery but rendering HTML on the server and sprinkling some JS on top of it.

Has anyone gone back to working like that?

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scrollaway ◴[] No.42164840[source]
It’s really not more productive.

Working with react has a higher barrier of entry (something which is becoming less true over time given that many templates etc exist for it), but if you want to be producing pages and functionality, a good react dev will run leagues around even an a exceptionally good jquery dev.

I’m solid at both and we are talking a dev cycle that is magnitudes faster once you are set up reasonably well. There’s a reason it’s popular. Typescript makes a lot of testing unnecessary and gives many guarantees on robustness. React makes it a breeze to create complex state full components. Nextjs makes it super easy to deploy all this to a web app and quickly create new pages.

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pier25 ◴[] No.42164893[source]
> a good react dev will run leagues around even an a exceptionally good jquery dev

It probably depends on the use case, no?

If you only need links, forms, and data tables what advantage does React have over SSR + jQuery?

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1. morbicer ◴[] No.42164987[source]
Non-spaghetti dynamic forms and their validation (yes you need to validate on server as well).

Reusable components that can be tested in isolation. Type support. That leads to easier evolution and refactoring.

With good architecture you can go mobile with react-native.

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2. pier25 ◴[] No.42165121[source]
Most modern backend frameworks provide components, types, and validation.

Laravel, Dotnet, Rails, etc.