The Bluesky firehose viewed in the style of a Windows XP screensaver

I like that Bluesky’s federation model makes it harder for them to do an “open platform” bait-and-switch like Twitter did.

Why would it? They can still lock everything down and few Bluesky users will even notice. This is similar to what Twitter did, or what Google Chat did, etc. Compare this to other federation platforms where a server that locks itself down loses access to a huge chunk of the network, once the other servers reciprocate.

Since migrating your personal data was a thing they thought about since day one, migrating to another network than the current one would be way easier than any centralized service and also easier than ActivityPub.

Seems there is one piece of the puzzle missing yet ("AppViews") in ATProto to be able to run completely independent, but seems they're currently working on getting that in place now.

Yeah? I don't remember being able to migrate from/to Twitter and taking followers/following etc with you without having to ask/request others to do something too.

Oh yes, and they are the only ones owning and developing AT Protocol, which makes it much more a currently-open-sourced protocol rather than a standard that is jointly developed by the industry.

Right. This is something I keep pointing out in threads about RSS. Some people will say RSS never left. Well, it left Twitter for one. Google News and Craigslist for others.

I almost wonder, to GP's point, if people have just completely forgotten all of this, which is why they think nothing was lost.

We had torrents, open data, open protocols, and people were sharing data and remixing it freely. Mountains of stuff like this Bluesky demo was released every single day. We had link aggregators to point to the cool things that were happening, and we even had tools that let you pipe data sources between various APIs to enrich and recombine things easily.

Platforms stopped this. Facebook, Google, and even Apple put an end to the wildly evolutionary behavior by delivering a canned experience to the masses.

We need a return to P2P where single platform silos and their army of product managers don't shape how we interact with technology and the bulk flow of information.

A lot of these companies that originally had open standards formed with huge amounts of VC money and they prioritized growth over everything else. Then when they reached a certain scale, investors valued profitability and they slowly squeezed and monetized users until all of those open standards features were gone.

Because it seems like this stuff is taught in Management 101 in all of the business schools: once you establish yourself with all this talk about "openness", etc. then the only way to succeed is by creating a walled garden, either through abuse of your monopoly position or by regulatory capture.

Cases in point: OpenAI _and_ Anthropic both pushing for regulation of AI, now that they have a dominant position.

I swear, the moment MBAs get involved, they try the same crap everywhere.

Question is whether this all that was in the 90s can again be relevant for the young who grew with TikTok, insta and fb.

I don’t have the answer, only doubts…

Now with GPTs more than ever people can regain their web presence. But do they do it? I guess not as much as one would expect.

You may say we need to go p2p again and perhaps Tim Berns Lee actually meant p2p with the HTML, but are people aware of this daring need?

But the reality is that having a moat and how to defend it is a fundamental strategy that every CEO is expected to know. Because it will be one of the first things you get asked from YC, investors etc.

And using regulation to lock out competitors definitely did not start with OpenAI and Anthropic.

We still have all the tools you talk about today. But with the benefit of much simpler languages and SDKs and tools like LLMs to help generate code. I've seen children learn programming far faster with Swift Playground on their iPad than I had to with C++ books.

And these sort of canned experience are what helped bring technology to everyone. Which was always supposed to be the main goal.

That's what I'm saying: it started with the MBAs.

Kids are all over Discord, Roblox, Minecraft, and VRchat. They're writing scripts and mods, and that's great. They're probably having a blast and a good number of them are learning a lot.

But they're doing all of these things in someone else's walled garden, on buttoned up platforms that typically constrain what they can accomplish. There are fewer degrees of freedom and a lot less ownership in the work they're doing.

These platforms also cost kids money. They use toxic gotcha mechanics and peer pressure to monetize. This part is strictly worse.

It's a lot different carving out your own clubhouse and culture when you're renting. Especially when you're made to speak a certain language and abide by a rigid set of rules.

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