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samsartor ◴[] No.42158987[source]
My hangup with MOND is still general relativity. We know for a fact that gravity is _not_ Newtonian, that the inverse square law does not hold. Any model of gravity based on an inverse law is simply wrong.

Another comment linked to https://tritonstation.com/new-blog-page/, which is an excellent read. It makes the case that GR has never been tested at low accelerations, that is might be wrong. But we know for a fact MOND is wrong at high accelerations. Unless your theory can cover both, I don't see how it can be pitched as an improvement to GR.

Edit: this sounds a bit hostile. to be clear, I think modified gravity is absolutely worth researching. but it isn't a silver bullet

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twothreeone ◴[] No.42160861[source]
GR says spacetime is curved by mass, right. So what's the basis for explaining the curvature of space (which can be measured, e.g., LIGO) in MOND?
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MathMonkeyMan ◴[] No.42162034[source]
MOND has nothing to say about the curvature of spacetime, since MOND is Newtonian (MOdified Newtonian Dynamics). It goes back to "F=ma and gravity is a force" and modifies the rules so that gravity grows weaker faster at a certain scale.

The fact that MOND fits a lot of the data troubled cosmologists, because they know that a General Relativistic theory is needed to explain pretty much the rest of gravity.

TeVeS is an extension to General Relativity that reduces to MOND in the non-relativistic limit. For comparison, General Relativity reduces to Newtonian gravity in the non-relativistic limit. The non-relativistic limit is when speeds and spacetime curvature are small.

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1. Gooblebrai ◴[] No.42163240[source]
How does MOND deal with the effects of time dilation and length contraction? Do we have to go back to Newton's time where there's a universal time?
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2. MathMonkeyMan ◴[] No.42168630[source]
I don't know if Newtonian gravity can be reconciled with Special Relativity. First thought is "no, that's why Einstein arrived at General Relativity." But I'm not in the field, so I don't know.