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dijit ◴[] No.42159330[source]
I always found it really frustrating that a "zero tolerance" policy to bullying seemed to disproportionately affect people who eventually fight back.

I would guess it's a combination of "nobody sees the first hit" (since your attention is elsewhere, of course) and that bullies get quite good at testing boundaries and thus know how to avoid detection.

But, really, it's truly frustrating that as I child I was bullied relentlessly, and when I finally took my parents advice and stood my ground, I was expelled from school (due to zero tolerance). Those bullies continued to torment some other kids, of course.

This is far from an uncommon situation, over the years I've heard many more scenarios like this.

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Loughla ◴[] No.42159404[source]
I was also expelled for fighting back. This was how I learned that documentation is important in life.

When I got the paperwork saying I was out, my parents sent back all the correspondence with the school, the dates the bully bothered me, and the responses (or lack thereof) from the school. I was reinstated and the bully went to another district.

Bullying in my day was at least bearable because it was confined to times when I was physically near the bully. Kids today have it so much worse with social media. It's genuinely terrifying. I don't wonder why many teens are anxious. Everything they do is documented.

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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42159832[source]
> Bullying in my day was at least bearable because it was confined to times when I was physically near the bully. Kids today have it so much worse with social media.

I don't get it. Anything a bully can do to you over social media, they can also do to you without using the internet at all. Anything they needed to be near you to do, they still need to be near you to do.

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nicksergeant ◴[] No.42159877[source]
There's twice as much surface area. Bullies can now do their thing 24/7 from behind the screen _and_ still physically torment.
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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42159886[source]
Again, whatever they can do from behind a screen now, they could also do in your absence before.
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khazhoux ◴[] No.42160929[source]
It really seems you have not seen the way kids bully each other these days. Example: two kids were friends a year ago shared a lot of personal thoughts with each other. Now guess what? That was all recorded, because it was all in chat. Fast-forward a year later and one kid absolutely humiliates the other by posting the private chats in a group setting. How the hell could that have ever happened in the past?

Same with recording silly videos or taking photos of themselves to share with friends. When the relationship turns sour, that is raw material to humiliate the other.

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1. thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42162388[source]
> Fast-forward a year later and one kid absolutely humiliates the other by posting the private chats in a group setting. How the hell could that have ever happened in the past?

Simple; the one kid tells everyone what the other kid said.

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2. ben_w ◴[] No.42162947[source]
Human memory isn't photographic.

Memories are biased such that we mostly don't remember the bad things our friends have said, we mainly remember the good. And the inverse for our enemies.

When you change from one to the other, what didn't pass into long term memory can't just come back.

3. khazhoux ◴[] No.42163085[source]
Not the same at all. Yes, that is a form of bullying, but it’s not nearly the same as having their own words, shared in confidence, blasted out to their peer group.

But honestly, I can see you are fully committed to the premise that “things are exactly the same now as before” and so this discussion is pointless.