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dijit ◴[] No.42159330[source]
I always found it really frustrating that a "zero tolerance" policy to bullying seemed to disproportionately affect people who eventually fight back.

I would guess it's a combination of "nobody sees the first hit" (since your attention is elsewhere, of course) and that bullies get quite good at testing boundaries and thus know how to avoid detection.

But, really, it's truly frustrating that as I child I was bullied relentlessly, and when I finally took my parents advice and stood my ground, I was expelled from school (due to zero tolerance). Those bullies continued to torment some other kids, of course.

This is far from an uncommon situation, over the years I've heard many more scenarios like this.

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BurningFrog ◴[] No.42159513[source]
I've come to think zero tolerance policies are universally bad.

Some tolerance and considering circumstances is actually the sensible way to handle most anything. But that sounds like being "soft on crime", and the PR side is usually more important than the actual problem.

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plasticchris ◴[] No.42159808[source]
The real problem is that school personnel don’t want to deal with the parents of the actual problem kids, so they get away with it even under zero tolerance.
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1. amatecha ◴[] No.42160649[source]
^ this. Every time the school staff have to deal with THOSE parents, yet again, is a huge stressor and they will try to avoid it if they can, but the parents of the "generally-good-except-this-once" kids will generally be totally reasonable and easy to deal with, even if injustice is occurring.