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Interview with gwern

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demaga ◴[14 Nov 24 13:07 UTC] No.42135821[source]▶
> I love the example of Isaac Newton looking at the rates of progress in Newton's time and going, “Wow, there's something strange here. Stuff is being invented now. We're making progress. How is that possible?” And then coming up with the answer, “Well, progress is possible now because civilization gets destroyed every couple of thousand years, and all we're doing is we're rediscovering the old stuff.”

The link in this paragraph goes to a post on gwern website. This post contains various links, both internal and external. But I still failed to find one that supports claims about Newton's views on "progress".

> This offers a little twist on the “Singularity” idea: apparently people have always been able to see progress as rapid in the right time periods, and they are not wrong to! We would not be too impressed at several centuries with merely some shipbuilding improvements or a long philosophy poem written in Latin, and we are only modestly impressed by needles or printing presses.

We absolutely _are_ impressed. The concept of "rapid progress" is relative. There was rapid progress then, and there is even more rapid progress now. There is no contradiction.

Anyway, I have no idea how this interview got that many upvotes. I just wasted my time.

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1. gwern ◴[16 Nov 24 03:24 UTC] No.42153872[source]▶
> The link in this paragraph goes to a post on gwern website. This post contains various links, both internal and external. But I still failed to find one that supports claims about Newton's views on "progress".

Could you explain further what part of https://gwern.net/newton you thought didn't support my description of Newton's view?

I thought the large second blockquote in https://gwern.net/newton#excerpts , which very prominently links to https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THE... , fully justified my claims, which are taken directly from Newton's statements to his son-in-law, and also closely parallel other historical statements, like Lucretius, which I also present with clear references and specific blockquotes.

I'm a little mystified that you could describe any of this as not supporting it at all, and I'm wondering if you are looking at the wrong page or something?