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1. soco ◴[] No.42150283[source]
I really expected a wood(en) frog here, qualifying truly as a biological miracle. But the wood frogs are cool as well.
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2. furyofantares ◴[] No.42150799[source]
Oh god. This made me wonder, what is wood, anyway? And I've just come away much more confused.

Bamboo is a grass and doesn't come from a tree. Palm wood comes from palm trees, except palm tree trunks are apparently a totally different type of structure than other tree trunks, sounds closer to Papyrus. No growth rings, a fiber type structure. Is Papyrus wood?

Any plant matter above a certain density? I don't think that's it. Corn stalks aren't wood.

Man, I don't know. I am certain that it must be plant matter though, so yes, a wooden frog would be a biological miracle.

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3. yial ◴[] No.42151025[source]
Wood is secondary xylem produced by growth from the vascular Cambium. (Sometimes? I think the issue is that there’s more than one definition of wood depending on context …?). Growth rings?

But palm trees aren’t truly trees, right ? Just called trees…. They’re more of a tree like shrub? I think.

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4. furyofantares ◴[] No.42151163{3}[source]
Trying to learn about this through claude was kinda funny.

Ask it to tell me about wood that doesn't come from trees, and it tells me about palm wood. I say, but doesn't that come from palm trees? It says palm trees aren't technically trees because their trunk isn't wooden.

Anyway, with your definition palm wood wouldn't be wood, and neither would bamboo. Feels like the vegetable/fruit thing though, there just isn't a perfect answer.

5. mawise ◴[] No.42151840[source]
It's worse than that. _Tree_ isn't even a well-defined thing.

> Trees are not a monophyletic taxonomic group but consist of a wide variety of plant species that have independently evolved a trunk and branches as a way to tower above other plants to compete for sunlight.[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree

6. mkl ◴[] No.42152361[source]
I don't know a precise definition, but wood has many origins. Wood has evolved hundreds of separate times, including at least 38 separate times just on the Canary Islands. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341287935_Multiple_..., https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.2208629119?downloa...
7. RajT88 ◴[] No.42152669[source]
What's really going to bake your noodle later is that Corn is a grass, just like Bamboo.

My total armchair answer: It helps to think about trees as just giant shrubs.

Shrubs are considered "woody", but most definitely are not trees. There are plenty of trees which are close relatives of shrubs (like poison oak and the urushi tree).

So what's the difference between a grass and a tree? Walking the tree of life up from Poison Oak and Bamboo, we see we land at Monocotyledon and Eudicots. There's lots of non-woody and tough fibrous (i.e. woody) plans in both clades (palm trees are monocots, btw).

Wikipedia says if it is tough and fibrous and has growth rings it's wood:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood

So Bamboo, although coming from a grass and not a tree, is wood. Further reading down that page talks about density as a key quality of wood, and goes on to not definitively quality bamboo as wood or as non-wood but some are dense enough.

Ultimately, there's no super clean definition of wood is my take-away, between the technical and colloquial aspects. You can use bamboo in construction much like wood, if you cut off a bit of shrub and dry it out, it's a "stick" just as much as if you trimmed it off a tree. You can make paper out of all kinds of fibers.

8. NoImmatureAdHom ◴[] No.42152898[source]
It's best to think of it as "tree-ing" or "to tree"

A really, really fantastic article: https://eukaryotewritesblog.com/2021/05/02/theres-no-such-th...