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shmatt ◴[] No.42136701[source]
I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job

The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee

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niemandhier ◴[] No.42136883[source]
This will than probably change with the new American government and its anti-immigration stance. Less h1b, less ghost jobs.
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Mountain_Skies ◴[] No.42137188[source]
Unlikely. "Staple a Green Card to their diploma" is what Trump had to say about students from other countries that graduate from US universities. Since out of country students pay the highest tuition rates, universities love them and give them preferential admissions. Though not as bad as elementary and high schools, universities suffer from grade inflation and are reluctant to kick out paying customers, especially those paying the highest tuition. As a consequence, academic standards are being reduced at a rapid rate.

If you want to come to the US to get a professional job, attending a US university instead of a domestic one is going to be worth the extra cost when it guarantees you a Green Card.

There might be a reduction in the flow of low skilled labor, especially for those looking to hire workers without legal status, but up the middle class portion of the labor market, expect the system to continue to favor cheap imported labor over domestic labor.

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selimthegrim ◴[] No.42137261[source]
STEM grad student tuition is paid by government grants
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1. morpheuskafka ◴[] No.42149287[source]
That's in no small part for the benefit of the US university, though, not just a personal benefit to the student. In some sense, grad students are a bit like faculty in that they are "part of" the university and contribute to its prestige and academic output in a way that undergrads don't. Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university and the accomplishments of its PI's labs.

Undergrad selectivity/quality does affect rankings too, but it doesn't probably doesn't affect faculty recruitment (except for the rare faculty that care a lot about teaching), but grad student recruitment absolutely does. Even a pathological case of a selfish PI who doesn't care about the students themselves and just cares about his own prestige/publications is going to be very interested in the quality of grad students coming in each year. Even state institutions that favor in-state heavily for undergrad generally don't do so for grad school.

Likewise, having an international faculty and grad student base is typically considered an ipso facto positive thing for a university, which has a inherent role of exchange of ideas and thus also of the people that hold them. Some countries even offer grants to arguably more generous grants to foreign students (ex. the MEXT scholarship in Japan) for that reason--having quality international students is an essential part of the prestige of their unis and one that they by definition can't improve through their own students.

Re: your point about costs, even with tuition grants, the costs of grad school in the US due to double effect of the strong dollar and high cost of living is likely to be just as high as a domestic school with higher tuition but potentially free room and board, and much lower food/transit/etc costs.

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2. selimthegrim ◴[] No.42151264[source]
>Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university

You have a very idealized picture of what happens when a university is required to confer a certain amount of PhDs to maintain (formerly) R1 status and has to rely on F-1s to do it.