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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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706 points ortusdux | 2 comments | 14 Nov 24 16:52 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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dmurray ◴[14 Nov 24 17:28 UTC] No.42138633[source]▶
This is cool when some independent hacker / artist does it as "Lemmy".

When a big telecom does it, the second thing they do with it is to fuck up the spam detection so bad that every third phone call I make gets answered by "Daisy".

And just think about it - why would a telecom need this tech? They can already drop the spam calls and stop routing calls from the bad actor telecoms who enable the spammers. They don't do that because they prefer to collect a few cents a call from them rather than serve their customers better. It's everyone else who needs this.

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waiwai933 ◴[14 Nov 24 17:42 UTC] No.42138812[source]▶
They're not intercepting calls over their network from suspected bad actors; rather, they've created some phone numbers that always go to Daisy - see https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/11/virgin-media-o...
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axus ◴[14 Nov 24 17:50 UTC] No.42138918[source]▶
Ah! So step 2 is wait for the spammers to automate blacklisting of Daisy phone numbers, and only then start rolling out a (paid) Daisy option to customers.

Not connecting calls doesn't waste spammer money, but maybe Daisy does.

If the big telco can find 10 righteous callers from a a bad actor telecom, they should keep routing the calls.

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ttul ◴[14 Nov 24 17:51 UTC] No.42138942[source]▶
My friend works for a big telco and is the guy fixing this problem for them. They have amazing powers of deception when they need it. New numbers can be conjured up at any time.
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worthless-trash ◴[15 Nov 24 08:09 UTC] No.42144843{3}[source]▶
I hate to say this.. but I find this very difficult to believe..

I don't think any telco puts effort into stopping spammers.. I'd like them to but I don't think it's something they either can care or legally capable of fixing.

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1. Anamon ◴[15 Nov 24 17:41 UTC] No.42149084{4}[source]▶
I work for a telco, though not in that department. We put a lot of effort into trying to block spam calls, and adapting systems to the newest tricks. The reason why the results aren't better is (I'm being told) a combination between IP telephony making reliable source tracing all but impossible, and common carrier laws which mean that you can't block a call unless you're 100% certain it's a scam, otherwise you open yourself up to being sued.
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2. worthless-trash ◴[17 Nov 24 07:24 UTC] No.42162547[source]▶
I imagine that many of us would gladly accept blocking call with a much lower certainty. Maybe we need an audio catcha.

Thank you for the insight.