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Please stop the coding challenges

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liontwist ◴[] No.42148091[source]
Remember that in other fields like medicine, finance, academia, and law, getting in involves 5+ years of hoop jumping and commitment signaling that have nothing to do with the final job.

We are blessed.

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ggregoire ◴[] No.42148160[source]
Genuinely curious, knowing nothing about this field: does, for example a neurosurgeon with 15 year of experience, when looking for a new place to work, have to pass surgery "challenges", like doing a lumbar puncture in 15 min on a fake body to prove his experience?
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paxys ◴[] No.42148189[source]
No, but the medical profession has a ridiculous amount of gatekeeping, so you can't become a neurosurgeon with 15 years of experience in the first place (there are maybe a few thousand worldwide). On the other hand anyone with a computer and a curious mind is a software engineer.
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1. epicureanideal ◴[] No.42148250[source]
Does the gatekeeping reliably ensure quality, or just filter down the quantity of doctors?
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2. portaouflop ◴[] No.42148349[source]
Let me answer your unknowable question with another one:

Which doctor would you prefer do surgery on your brain - the one that jumped through all the hoops and went to 15yrs of med school - or the one that learned brain surgery through a YouTube tutorial?

I think you know the answer. The problem is not gatekeeping in general it’s the detail and nuance of how gates are being kept and how to find the right amount of gatekeeping.

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3. paxys ◴[] No.42148356[source]
Both
4. epicureanideal ◴[] No.42148982[source]
We could theoretically have the best of both worlds, right?

No unnecessary gatekeeping, but maximum necessary quality standards (which I distinguish from gatekeeping).

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5. marcosdumay ◴[] No.42149240{3}[source]
Yeah, what is hard is actually implementing this.
6. recursive ◴[] No.42149677{3}[source]
Theoretically? Maybe.

Practically? No one has figured out how. The best we have are coding challenges.

7. Ancapistani ◴[] No.42149953[source]
> Which doctor would you prefer do surgery on your brain - the one that jumped through all the hoops and went to 15yrs of med school - or the one that learned brain surgery through a YouTube tutorial?

My answer is that I don't have access to what I'd really like to base that judgment upon: their success rate, adjusted for the difficulty of the procedure.

Simpler, less-risky procedures would therefore have a lower skill/experience bar.

Basically, I'd want someone with decades of experiences to remove a tumor deep inside my brain, but I'd be much more willing to use someone who learned via YouTube this time last year if I'd suffered a TBI and was experiencing swelling and intra-cranial pressure.

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8. epicureanideal ◴[] No.42150370{3}[source]
It would be great if there were certain specialized mini-doctor programs that focused on simple things like treating the least risky problems, maybe even with AI to help filter which problems need a “real doctor” vs a mini specialist.