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swiftcoder ◴[] No.42144784[source]
I feel like the article neglects one obvious possibility: that OpenAI decided that chess was a benchmark worth "winning", special-cases chess within gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct, and then neglected to add that special-case to follow-up models since it wasn't generating sustained press coverage.
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dmurray ◴[] No.42145352[source]
This seems quite likely to me, but did they special case it by reinforcement training it into the LLM (which would be extremely interesting in how they did it and what its internal representation looks like) or is it just that when you make an API call to OpenAI, the machine on the other end is not just a zillion-parameter LLM but also runs an instance of Stockfish?
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shaky-carrousel ◴[] No.42145408[source]
That's easy to test, invent a new chess variant and see how the model does.
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andy_ppp ◴[] No.42145557[source]
You're imagining LLMs don't just regurgitate and recombine things they already know from things they have seen before. A new variant would not be in the dataset so would not be understood. In fact this is quite a good way to show LLMs are NOT thinking or understanding anything in the way we understand it.
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shaky-carrousel ◴[] No.42145905[source]
Yes, that's how you can really tell if the model is doing real thinking and not recombinating things. If it can correctly play a novel game, then it's doing more than that.
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1. dwighttk ◴[] No.42146014[source]
No LLM model is doing any thinking.
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2. selestify ◴[] No.42146320[source]
How do you define thinking?
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3. antononcube ◴[] No.42146586[source]
Being fast at doing linear algebra computations. (Is there any other kind?!)
4. landryraccoon ◴[] No.42151638[source]
Making the OP feel threatened/emotionally attached/both enough to call the language model a rival / companion / peer instead of a tool.
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5. Jerrrrrrry ◴[] No.42176541{3}[source]
Lolol. It's a chess thread, say it.

We are pawns, hoping to be maybe a Rook to the King by endgame.

Some think we can promote our pawns to Queens to match.

Luckily, the Jester muses!