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Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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718 points ortusdux | 3 comments | 14 Nov 24 16:52 UTC | HN request time: 1.174s | source
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dmurray ◴[14 Nov 24 17:28 UTC] No.42138633[source]▶
This is cool when some independent hacker / artist does it as "Lemmy".

When a big telecom does it, the second thing they do with it is to fuck up the spam detection so bad that every third phone call I make gets answered by "Daisy".

And just think about it - why would a telecom need this tech? They can already drop the spam calls and stop routing calls from the bad actor telecoms who enable the spammers. They don't do that because they prefer to collect a few cents a call from them rather than serve their customers better. It's everyone else who needs this.

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waiwai933 ◴[14 Nov 24 17:42 UTC] No.42138812[source]▶
They're not intercepting calls over their network from suspected bad actors; rather, they've created some phone numbers that always go to Daisy - see https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/11/virgin-media-o...
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axus ◴[14 Nov 24 17:50 UTC] No.42138918[source]▶
Ah! So step 2 is wait for the spammers to automate blacklisting of Daisy phone numbers, and only then start rolling out a (paid) Daisy option to customers.

Not connecting calls doesn't waste spammer money, but maybe Daisy does.

If the big telco can find 10 righteous callers from a a bad actor telecom, they should keep routing the calls.

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ttul ◴[14 Nov 24 17:51 UTC] No.42138942[source]▶
My friend works for a big telco and is the guy fixing this problem for them. They have amazing powers of deception when they need it. New numbers can be conjured up at any time.
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simfree ◴[14 Nov 24 18:04 UTC] No.42139115[source]▶
The new fad among wireless carriers here in the US is to route what they think are spam calls to a fake voicemail box.

Voicemail that is left in this generic voice mail box never makes it to their customer and the customer is completely unaware that some of their calls have been diverted.

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immibis ◴[14 Nov 24 18:11 UTC] No.42139217[source]▶
Then suddenly, calls from consenting callers to consenting receivers are labeled as spam and blocked. What can you do about it? Nothing. Switch to email, I guess. Oh wait, same problem.
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EasyMark ◴[15 Nov 24 00:30 UTC] No.42142812[source]▶
I’ll take my chances. 99%of the people I want to talk to either email/text me first or are already in my contacts list (which I’m not really all that picky about). I’ll accept that failure rate.
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1. akoboldfrying ◴[15 Nov 24 06:20 UTC] No.42144374[source]▶
Isn't "emailing you first" just kicking the can down the road? What stops spam emails getting through to you? (Besides the exact kind of heuristic filtering you seem to be objecting to, that is.)
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2. spacebanana7 ◴[15 Nov 24 09:33 UTC] No.42145278[source]▶
Email spam filters have the advantage of being able to see the content of the message, so hopefully they're more accurate.

The disadvantage of email is that it doesn't work for urgent use cases, like Disneyland calling the parent of a lost child.

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3. red-iron-pine ◴[15 Nov 24 18:29 UTC] No.42149530[source]▶
Disneyland will have a handful of IPs and phone numbers, and I'd bet my hat will have a team aggressively calling any ISP or provider that flags them as spam.