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Something weird is happening with LLMs and chess

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688 points crescit_eundo | 3 comments | 14 Nov 24 17:05 UTC | HN request time: 0.776s | source
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niobe ◴[15 Nov 24 00:40 UTC] No.42142885[source]▶
I don't understand why educated people expect that an LLM would be able to play chess at a decent level.

It has no idea about the quality of it's data. "Act like x" prompts are no substitute for actual reasoning and deterministic computation which clearly chess requires.

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computerex ◴[15 Nov 24 00:55 UTC] No.42142963[source]▶
Question here is why gpt-3.5-instruct can then beat stockfish.
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fsndz ◴[15 Nov 24 00:57 UTC] No.42142975[source]▶
PS: I ran and as suspected got-3.5-turbo-instruct does not beat stockfish, it is not even close "Final Results: gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct: Wins=0, Losses=6, Draws=0, Rating=1500.00 stockfish: Wins=6, Losses=0, Draws=0, Rating=1500.00" https://www.loom.com/share/870ea03197b3471eaf7e26e9b17e1754?...
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computerex ◴[15 Nov 24 01:00 UTC] No.42142993[source]▶
Maybe there's some difference in the setup because the OP reports that the model beats stockfish (how they had it configured) every single game.
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1. Filligree ◴[15 Nov 24 01:16 UTC] No.42143059[source]▶
OP had stockfish at its weakest preset.
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2. fsndz ◴[15 Nov 24 01:42 UTC] No.42143193[source]▶
Did the same and gpt-3.5-turbo-instruct still lost all the games. maybe a diff in stockfish version ? I am using stockfish 16
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3. mannykannot ◴[15 Nov 24 04:35 UTC] No.42143999[source]▶
That is a very pertinent question, especially if Stockfish has been used to generate training data.