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1. cedws ◴[] No.42139163[source]
Very nice to see, my grandmother was recently scammed out of a large amount of money. Luckily the bank reimbursed her.

Scammers are a stain on the reputation of India. You could argue it's unfair to tar an entire country with the same brush, but quite clearly rule of law isn't properly functioning over there and there's complicity in letting them do this. Same goes for Nigeria.

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3. Pikamander2 ◴[] No.42142216[source]
I'd imagine India will gradually crack down on it more over time. The tech industry there is growing massive and they surely aren't happy about being associated with scammers.
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4. primitivesuave ◴[] No.42142826[source]
They won't. The companies that operate these scam centers are diversified criminal enterprises run by ultra-wealthy and politically connected individuals. These people own the police, they own the politicians, and until fairly recently, they owned the voters through massive vote-buying schemes.

You can get away with murder in India if you're wealthy enough (e.g. the case of Jessica Lal, murdered by a politician's son in front of at least a dozen witnesses). The egregious corruption of the INC or "Congress party" (which is ideologically progressive) over many decades has created a massive voter exodus to the conservative BJP party, the majority party in India since 2014. However, the corruption and inefficiency at all levels of civil society has remained endemic.

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5. kmeisthax ◴[] No.42143400[source]
Oh, believe me, Indians fucking hate the scammers, probably more than you do.

Jim Browning (the scambaiter who worked with O2 in this article) has successfully compromised several scam operations, gotten their physical address and other dox, and referred them to the police. The offices get raided, Jim gets some nice CCTV footage of the raid, the operators of the criminal enterprise get a nice perp walk... and then a month later the case is mysteriously dismissed with a bullshit reason about AI deepfakes and "IO" (influence operations, I presume).

The thing to keep in mind is that India's government is run by Modi, a Hindu ultranationalist who wants to deport all the country's Muslims to Pakistan[0]. There's a pretty straightforward pipeline from organized crime to fascism and I wouldn't be surprised if the scammers in question here are part of Modi's power base (or part of other organizations which are part of his power base).

The only thing I could think of to fix this would be to strategically suck people out of India through generous visas for migrants who want to live in a country with functioning[1] institutions. The thing about organized crime is that it relies on having a pool of suckers to continue joining the criminal enterprise - in other words, even the scammers are themselves being scammed. This is one of the less selfish reasons why I'm an open borders fanatic, but I also have to admit that such a policy in today's era has negative political capital.

[0] Which itself has money problems because it's budget gets siphoned off by their own military and they have to beg the IMF for scraps

[1] To be clear, India's institutions still exist, they're just mildly broken.

6. pnut ◴[] No.42146727{3}[source]
I just googled Jessica Lal and the Wikipedia article suggests that the rich murderer was convicted and sentenced to life in prison?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal

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7. Baeocystin ◴[] No.42154361{4}[source]
I mean, in that very article it talks about how he was granted probation many times, and has already been released. Doesn't seem very lifey to me.
8. primitivesuave ◴[] No.42187977{4}[source]
He was indeed sentenced to life, but was inexplicably allowed to go in and out of prison during his sentence - on one occasion he was paroled for thirty days under dubious circumstances. He was eventually released on parole 4 years ago for "good behavior", and is now trying to rehabilitate his public image (along with his extremely corrupt father).