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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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391 points JSeymourATL | 5 comments | 14 Nov 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 0.623s | source
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shmatt ◴[14 Nov 24 14:56 UTC] No.42136701[source]▶
I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job

The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee

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xvedejas ◴[14 Nov 24 15:12 UTC] No.42136923[source]▶
So when interviewing, perhaps I should skip more places that say citizenship required on the req, to avoid wasting my time?
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cj ◴[14 Nov 24 15:19 UTC] No.42137008[source]▶
No. Many (especially smaller) companies don't want to hire people who need visa sponsorship because it requires a decent amount of overhead. The company needs to have an immigration lawyer to prepare and submit paperwork, which many smaller companies don't want to bother with.

FWIW it's illegal to require "US citizenship" in a job description. You can, however, say "eligible to work in the US". (The former would be discriminatory against non-citizen permanent residents). Although I'm also not a lawyer.

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1. Iwan-Zotow ◴[14 Nov 24 15:31 UTC] No.42137166[source]▶
> FWIW it's illegal to require "US citizenship" in a job description.

nonsense

tons of jobs advertisements required "US citizenship", because there is a security clearance attached

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2. bryanlarsen ◴[14 Nov 24 15:57 UTC] No.42137480[source]▶
Those companies are breaking the law. SpaceX was prosecuted for doing that.

Now SpaceX says:

To conform to U.S. Government export regulations, applicant must be a (i) U.S. citizen or national, (ii) U.S. lawful, permanent resident (aka green card holder), (iii) Refugee under 8 U.S.C. § 1157, or (iv) Asylee under 8 U.S.C. § 1158, or be eligible to obtain the required authorizations from the U.S. Department of State. Learn more about the ITAR here.

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3. vonmoltke ◴[14 Nov 24 17:06 UTC] No.42138303[source]▶
> Those companies are breaking the law.

If the position requires a security clearance, they are not breaking the law. Language like this is standard on defense contractor postings that require clearances (this from Lockeed):

> Security Clearance Statement: This position requires a government security clearance, you must be a US Citizen for consideration.

> SpaceX was prosecuted for doing that.

SpaceX was prosecuted for excluding refugees and asylees from export-controlled positions, not cleared positions.

4. fggdt ◴[14 Nov 24 17:14 UTC] No.42138418[source]▶
Without cause, you can't discriminate for citizenship.

Just like you can't discriminate by race, unless you're a film director you want a black actress to play Rosa Parks.

5. TeaBrain ◴[14 Nov 24 17:17 UTC] No.42138471[source]▶
Non-US citizens can't get a security clearance. Permanent residents can at most get a limited access authorization. The SpaceX case involved ITAR, not clearance.