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107 points wmlive | 2 comments | 12 Nov 24 01:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.467s | source
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itslennysfault ◴[13 Nov 24 19:50 UTC] No.42129253[source]▶
So, this is why the abomination that is Obj-C is/was used for iPhone/Mac apps. I can't overstate how much I hate Obj-C. I'm so sooo happy Swift has pretty much entirely taken over.

Side note... I feel similarly about the Java to Kotlin transition. Sooo much better. Although, I don't hate Java NEARLY as much as Obj-C.

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pjmlp ◴[13 Nov 24 22:22 UTC] No.42130804[source]▶
Metal is implemented in a mix of Objective-C (CPU) and C++ (Metal Shaders), Swift only has bindings.

Maybe one it they will rewrite the Objective-C, who knows.

Kotlin transition is a Google thing, outside Android barely anyone notices that it exists.

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ahoka ◴[13 Nov 24 22:51 UTC] No.42131103[source]▶
“Kotlin transition is a Google thing, outside Android barely anyone notices that it exists.”

That’s not true.

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pjmlp ◴[14 Nov 24 08:09 UTC] No.42134068[source]▶
It certainly is, one just needs to check any programming language market share analysis that omits Android deployments.

Kotlin hardly does more than 10% of JVM workloads, and it isn't as if any JVM vendor is replacing Java with Kotlin on their JVM implementation.

Besides Google with ART, which is anyway not a JVM proper, not fully TCK compliant to start with.

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panick21_ ◴[14 Nov 24 09:44 UTC] No.42134553[source]▶
At least at my company we are increasingly using more and more Kotlin. And that happens in many places. This is Server JVM, not Android. And I know other places too.
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pjmlp ◴[14 Nov 24 13:44 UTC] No.42136076[source]▶
Congratulations, you are part of those 10%.
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1. panick21_ ◴[14 Nov 24 14:28 UTC] No.42136405[source]▶
10% is a large number for a new language on a VM.
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2. pjmlp ◴[15 Nov 24 10:19 UTC] No.42145530[source]▶
It certainly is, but it isn't Rewrite In Kotlin, that is so common to hear the community talk about, specially when their creators are quite open that it is a way to sell InteliJ licenses.

I can provide you the public statement on that, if you feel like not searching yourself.