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kwisatzh ◴[13 Nov 24 21:53 UTC] No.42130465[source]▶
He’ll get pardoned. It’s a Thiel company.
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galleywest200 ◴[13 Nov 24 23:33 UTC] No.42131411[source]▶
Accepting a presidential pardon requires an admission of guilt. Would being a confirmed criminal aide them in business in any way?
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stickfigure ◴[13 Nov 24 23:36 UTC] No.42131432[source]▶
Incorrect. A pardon does require a conviction, however. And it will probably never get that far.
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CodeWriter23 ◴[13 Nov 24 23:47 UTC] No.42131507[source]▶
Incorrect. There is no requirement that even an indictment has occurred in the past.
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dgfitz ◴[13 Nov 24 23:52 UTC] No.42131558[source]▶
"I hereby pardon you for murder. Nope, you didn't murder anyone, and you haven't been indited on murder charges!"

Technically sure, you're correct. The worst kind of correct.

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lesuorac ◴[14 Nov 24 00:06 UTC] No.42131660[source]▶
It can backfire though, you no longer have 5th amendment privileges because you can't say anything incriminating (you're pardon'd from the crime).

So you have the take the stand and testify.

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dgfitz ◴[14 Nov 24 00:12 UTC] No.42131705[source]▶
Testify to what?
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lesuorac ◴[14 Nov 24 01:13 UTC] No.42132115[source]▶
Pretty much whatever you got pardon'd for.

> [1] The pardon would have put Nixon in a difficult position on the witness stand since he would not have been able to assert any Fifth Amendment privilege when questioned about his actions as president.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon#Afterm...

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dgfitz ◴[14 Nov 24 01:16 UTC] No.42132130[source]▶
> Incorrect. There is no requirement that even an indictment has occurred in the past.

This thread started with that statement, which is what I based my comments on.

To take the piss on it, only a fool would pardon someone for a crime of which they are not accused.

Are you implying that point?

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lesuorac ◴[14 Nov 24 01:44 UTC] No.42132299[source]▶
Nixon is the typical example of somebody pardon'd without an indictment. Like it would be wise to imply it could happen because it has!

There are a other trivial examples. Confederate solders weren't indicted [1]. The Vietnam draft dodging pardons didn't even name people [2] [3].

Why they would do it? I mean to nullify the 5th amendment right. Maybe you want to prosecute a crime boss so you give somebody a pardon (or immunity) so they can't/don't plead the 5th and have to testify against them.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons_for_ex-Confederates#An...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_evasion#Pardons

[3]: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/01/22/archives/texts-of-documen...

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1. dgfitz ◴[14 Nov 24 01:48 UTC] No.42132317[source]▶
Sorry, those are your examples? Besides the Nixon disaster (stop hiding behind that) and confederate soldiers, any other examples?
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3. JumpCrisscross ◴[14 Nov 24 03:50 UTC] No.42133000[source]▶
You're arguing, with no evidence, for a claim with counterfactual precedent. (And look up preemptive pardons. Not been done. But you're lacking imagination if you can't see the utility of a pardon absent indictment or even accusation.)
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4. kragen ◴[14 Nov 24 11:38 UTC] No.42135231[source]▶
Even a single example of something happening is abundantly adequate to demonstrate that it is not impossible.