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Steve Jobs, NeXTSTEP, and early object-oriented programming (2016)

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107 points wmlive | 1 comments | 12 Nov 24 01:06 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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itslennysfault ◴[13 Nov 24 19:50 UTC] No.42129253[source]▶
So, this is why the abomination that is Obj-C is/was used for iPhone/Mac apps. I can't overstate how much I hate Obj-C. I'm so sooo happy Swift has pretty much entirely taken over.

Side note... I feel similarly about the Java to Kotlin transition. Sooo much better. Although, I don't hate Java NEARLY as much as Obj-C.

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mentos ◴[13 Nov 24 21:07 UTC] No.42130011[source]▶
Did you start with Swift or Objective-C?

I started with Objective-C and loved it but I imagine that wouldn’t have been the case if I started with Swift.

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1. bunderbunder ◴[13 Nov 24 21:41 UTC] No.42130326[source]▶
Same. I realize that Objective-C is dated by contemporary standards. But when I first learned it 20-ish years ago it felt like a superpower. I bet it was even more impressive when it first appeared another 20 years further back.

I think that one of the tragedies of older programming languages is that they survive long enough for people to forget the technical - and technological - constraints that influenced their design. Swift is great, but there are reasons why there weren't any Swift-like languages being developed in or around 1984.

Similar feelings about Java. It is definitely not my favorite programming language. (I suppose Kotlin isn't either, but it's in the top n.) But it's hard for me to actually hate it. Java walked so that Kotlin could run.